Don't read if you haven't seen: INCEPTION : SPOILER THREAD - Nubblies.net Forums

Mr. Blonde · 08-01-2010, 04:39 AM

I'm not putting the tags because of the title. If you clicked here and haven't seen, too fucking bad.

Just managed to catch this last night. Koreans are batshit crazy about booking ahead...by like days. I got lucky.

Pretty kickass movie, I'm sure it's cliche by this point to discuss it but oh well. Not as complex as it could have been, but I had a few questions in regard to the plot:

How did they "connect" people in shared dreaming? Wouldn't that require a neural interface (a-la-Matrix) rather than just a forearm IV? I wish they would have gone more in-depth to the theorized Army invention they just mentioned in like one scene, seeing as how it's the basis for the entire movie.

Is a 4th level dream the same as Limbo? How did Cobb and his Wife get to Limbo the first time, by delving too deep into a dream? When Saito dies, he goes to Limbo....but then Cobb and Ariadne (Juno for all intensive purposes

) are able to get to Limbo by going a 4th level in? That didn't make sense to me.

DDTempest · 08-01-2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Is a 4th level dream the same as Limbo? How did Cobb and his Wife get to Limbo the first time, by delving too deep into a dream? When Saito dies, he goes to Limbo....but then Cobb and Ariadne (Juno for all intensive purposes

) are able to get to Limbo by going a 4th level in? That didn't make sense to me.

Cobb and Juno don't go to Limbo ... they go into Cobb's dream (four deep) which is "unstable" and populated by Cobb's mind (see: Mal) he more or less just says he is going to get Saito, not necessarily that saito is on that same "level"

I'm sure there will be thesis papers written on this film as it leaves a lot up to interpretation (like they are ALL in Cobb's dream to begin with). And I'm sure Nolan will pull the same bullshit that every director since the beginning of time says "its up to the viewer to interpret the flims meaning"

Mr. Blonde · 08-01-2010, 09:09 AM

He says specifically "Saito is here, somewhere" at one point in the movie. Also, if he's not already in Limbo, how is he going to get there? Maybe he kills himself to get there, but Juno killed herself by jumping out the building, and she just woke up...which means the sedative must have worn off by then, so how does one get into Limbo without being sedated?

Goes more in line with wondering how in the hell Cobb and his wife got in Limbo the first time around...

That being said, I think it'd be pretty fucking badass to lucidly dream for 50 years "dream time".

Mr. Blonde · 08-01-2010, 11:52 AM

zebrazebrazebraSHAFT · 08-01-2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDTempest

I'm sure there will be thesis papers written on this film as it leaves a lot up to interpretation (like they are ALL in Cobb's dream to begin with).

Yeah, this is one of the more obvious interpretations, I think it fits well with the movie. The whole movie is Cobbs dream and Ariadne is performing an inception on Cobb to help him get over his wife's death. There was a lot of subtle doubting in the film, whether or not Cobb was actually being pursued back in the States.

Ugly Bastard · 08-01-2010, 06:23 PM

I thought Inception sucked. I was never emotionally invested in the movie. Whether or not Leo actually got back to his kids, etc, never mattered to me. When the credits appeared, I got up, threw away my drink, and have hardly thought about the film since.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 08-01-2010, 08:16 PM

I thought it was good. I didn't think it was "OMG, so fucking good movie and so deep" like so many people make it out to be.

Things i noticed and would like to look at more hints/clues about the whole is it really Cobb's dream the entire time.

-His wedding ring. IIRC, he's ONLY wearing it when he's dreaming.
-The totem, IF it was Mal's to begin w/, it doesn't really make a whole lotta sense for him to be using it.
-The kids and how they don't age and are wearing the exact same clothes at the end as they were throughout his dreams/memories.

Major issue that makes it hard for it to be a dream the entire time.
-The subconscious characters never talk.

Mr. Blonde · 08-01-2010, 10:26 PM

Mal talked.

Mr. Blonde · 08-02-2010, 11:07 AM

Inception Ending Extended - CollegeHumor video

Mr. Blonde · 08-03-2010, 10:19 AM

LOL

Inception Characters Don't Understand Inception - CollegeHumor video

SittinOnDubsWGW · 08-03-2010, 05:42 PM

Inception was stolen from Scooge McDuck - What Would Tyler Durden Do

zebrazebrazebraSHAFT · 08-04-2010, 12:49 AM

Mr. Blonde · 08-04-2010, 04:51 AM

HOW THE FUCK DID COBB GET TO LIMBO BUT ADRIADNE DIDN'T GO?!?!!

zebrazebrazebraSHAFT · 08-04-2010, 05:25 AM

I need to watch the film again because I don't recall how/why Cobb goes to Limbo from dream level 1?

Why does Ariadne need to be with Cobb in Limbo?

Mr. Blonde · 08-04-2010, 05:31 AM

She doesn't, but she WAS in the 4th level with him, and it was inferred earlier that you can only get to Limbo when you "go too deep" (apparently the 5th level) and die, and when you can't wake up because of sedatives. That's what happens to Cobb, but not to Adriadne. Therefore, she shouldn't have gone through all the levels "waking up", she should have went to Limbo.

zebrazebrazebraSHAFT · 08-04-2010, 05:56 AM

I found this on IMDB, makes a lot of sense (if my memory serves me right):
Sequence:
1. Cobb and Ariadne enter limbo to retrieve Fischer.
2. Saito dies in the fortress and thus enters limbo.
3. Ariadne rides the kick (falling) with Fischer up to the fortress.
4. Cobb follows to the fortress when the building collapses.
5. Ariadne, Cobb, Eames, Fischer ride the kick up to the hotel when the fortress collapes.
6. Ariadne, Cobb, Eames, Fischer and Arthur ride the kick up to the van when the elevator falls down.
7. Eames (as Browning) and Fischer swim out of the van and go ashore.
8. Ariadne, Arthur, and Yusuf take breaths from a tank and go ashore (out of sight of Fischer).
9. Cobb is left in the van and drowns/dies. Thus he returns to limbo, washes up on shore, and is found by Saito's guards.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 08-04-2010, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebrazebrazebraSHAFT

9. Cobb is left in the van and drowns/dies. Thus he returns to limbo, washes up on shore, and is found by Saito's guards.

beat me to it.

f3lix · 08-04-2010, 01:17 PM

Shouldn't him dying in the van send him back to reality?

DJ FC · 08-04-2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

I thought Inception sucked. I was never emotionally invested in the movie. Whether or not Leo actually got back to his kids, etc, never mattered to me. When the credits appeared, I got up, threw away my drink, and have hardly thought about the film since.

We hardly ever disagree. But this time we do. I thoroughly enjoyed myself. And isn't that what a film is for?

zebrazebrazebraSHAFT · 08-04-2010, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3lix

Shouldn't him dying in the van send him back to reality?

No, they were all sedated so if any one of them died they'd go to limbo, regardless of the dream level.

Beebs · 08-05-2010, 12:06 AM

Maybe I'm being a bit simple, but the top seemed to be falling over, for what its worth.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2010, 06:49 AM

Mr. Blonde · 08-19-2010, 10:47 PM

YouTube

Orgazmo · 01-06-2011, 01:25 AM

Late to this thread because I just watched it, but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

for all intensive purposes

intents and purposes*

Did that just blow your mind?

Also: http://www.nubblies.net/forums/confe...ive#post378380

Mr. Blonde · 01-06-2011, 01:45 AM

In this thread I believe I was making fun of UB. But yeah, apparently I did it even 2 years ago. But no, it didn't.

08-01-2010, 04:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	Don't read if you haven't seen: INCEPTION : SPOILER THREAD I'm not putting the tags because of the title. If you clicked here and haven't seen, too fucking bad. Just managed to catch this last night. Koreans are batshit crazy about booking ahead...by like days. I got lucky. Pretty kickass movie, I'm sure it's cliche by this point to discuss it but oh well. Not as complex as it could have been, but I had a few questions in regard to the plot: How did they "connect" people in shared dreaming? Wouldn't that require a neural interface (a-la-Matrix) rather than just a forearm IV? I wish they would have gone more in-depth to the theorized Army invention they just mentioned in like one scene, seeing as how it's the basis for the entire movie. Is a 4th level dream the same as Limbo? How did Cobb and his Wife get to Limbo the first time, by delving too deep into a dream? When Saito dies, he goes to Limbo....but then Cobb and Ariadne (Juno for all intensive purposes ) are able to get to Limbo by going a 4th level in? That didn't make sense to me.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

08-01-2010, 09:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	He says specifically "Saito is here, somewhere" at one point in the movie. Also, if he's not already in Limbo, how is he going to get there? Maybe he kills himself to get there, but Juno killed herself by jumping out the building, and she just woke up...which means the sedative must have worn off by then, so how does one get into Limbo without being sedated? Goes more in line with wondering how in the hell Cobb and his wife got in Limbo the first time around... That being said, I think it'd be pretty fucking badass to lucidly dream for 50 years "dream time".
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

08-01-2010, 11:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

08-01-2010, 10:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	Mal talked.
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08-04-2010, 04:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	HOW THE FUCK DID COBB GET TO LIMBO BUT ADRIADNE DIDN'T GO?!?!!
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

08-01-2010, 06:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	I thought Inception sucked. I was never emotionally invested in the movie. Whether or not Leo actually got back to his kids, etc, never mattered to me. When the credits appeared, I got up, threw away my drink, and have hardly thought about the film since.

08-01-2010, 08:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
SittinOnDubsWGW I make bad decisions. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,018 Internets: 108015	I thought it was good. I didn't think it was "OMG, so fucking good movie and so deep" like so many people make it out to be. Things i noticed and would like to look at more hints/clues about the whole is it really Cobb's dream the entire time. -His wedding ring. IIRC, he's ONLY wearing it when he's dreaming. -The totem, IF it was Mal's to begin w/, it doesn't really make a whole lotta sense for him to be using it. -The kids and how they don't age and are wearing the exact same clothes at the end as they were throughout his dreams/memories. Major issue that makes it hard for it to be a dream the entire time. -The subconscious characters never talk.

08-03-2010, 05:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
SittinOnDubsWGW I make bad decisions. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,018 Internets: 108015	Inception was stolen from Scooge McDuck - What Would Tyler Durden Do

08-04-2010, 12:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
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08-04-2010, 05:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
zebrazebrazebraSHAFT The Government Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 98 Internets: 1037	I need to watch the film again because I don't recall how/why Cobb goes to Limbo from dream level 1? Why does Ariadne need to be with Cobb in Limbo?

08-04-2010, 05:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	She doesn't, but she WAS in the 4th level with him, and it was inferred earlier that you can only get to Limbo when you "go too deep" (apparently the 5th level) and die, and when you can't wake up because of sedatives. That's what happens to Cobb, but not to Adriadne. Therefore, she shouldn't have gone through all the levels "waking up", she should have went to Limbo.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

08-04-2010, 05:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
zebrazebrazebraSHAFT The Government Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 98 Internets: 1037	I found this on IMDB, makes a lot of sense (if my memory serves me right): Sequence: 1. Cobb and Ariadne enter limbo to retrieve Fischer. 2. Saito dies in the fortress and thus enters limbo. 3. Ariadne rides the kick (falling) with Fischer up to the fortress. 4. Cobb follows to the fortress when the building collapses. 5. Ariadne, Cobb, Eames, Fischer ride the kick up to the hotel when the fortress collapes. 6. Ariadne, Cobb, Eames, Fischer and Arthur ride the kick up to the van when the elevator falls down. 7. Eames (as Browning) and Fischer swim out of the van and go ashore. 8. Ariadne, Arthur, and Yusuf take breaths from a tank and go ashore (out of sight of Fischer). 9. Cobb is left in the van and drowns/dies. Thus he returns to limbo, washes up on shore, and is found by Saito's guards.

08-04-2010, 01:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Shouldn't him dying in the van send him back to reality?

08-05-2010, 12:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Maybe I'm being a bit simple, but the top seemed to be falling over, for what its worth.

08-05-2010, 06:49 AM	#22 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

01-06-2011, 01:45 AM	#25 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	In this thread I believe I was making fun of UB. But yeah, apparently I did it even 2 years ago. But no, it didn't.

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