Debt Ceiling talks getting ugly

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Obama is really handling this debt ceiling thing terribly. His m.o. is urging everyone to call their Congressman (including blowing up Twitter today with a TONNN of Tweets to help you find your local Congressman on Twitter). I mean, really? He's basically saying, "I can't talk to these people. Can you do it for me?" Fuckin pansy ass Democrats. I want to like them, I really do, but they're so gd spineless on everything.

Just curious what you think he should have done? I get the impression that Obama has tried talking to these people and that they have said to him "we will salt the land and you will be blamed for the bad crops" ... and I get the impression that Boehner more or less got the same response from the bulk of the tea party shitheads. This is a situation where we have exactly the representatives we deserve.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by angry pancake

If my line if work ever implements a sales tax, and there's a strong movement to do so here, that will be passed on to customers 100%. I'm not sure the dumbasses here know how this will work.

That was the point I was making.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by angry pancake

I follow beebs fine. That rambling I posted was hardly an agreement.

Not sure what you are trying to say then; my point is that when you tax a corporation, it ends up either coming out of the shareholders profit, or at the cost of the consumer, either way it ends up just being a tax on individuals.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by DDTempest

Just curious what you think he should have done?

Not ask people to call their Congressman for starters. He's the leader of the free world for Christ's sake. He needs to flex hits nuts more and make whiny pleas to "call your Congressman" less. I mean the President of the fucking United States stands up there and says, "uhh... please call your local representative!" It's weak shit. Jon Stewart put it perfectly: he quit on the job.

[f3lix]

Another GOP plan put forth, another Senate scuttle.

The score card for proposals to the problem:
GOP - 2
Dems - 0
Bambi - 0

You taking notes Repug?

Thank God for the Tea Party not bending and forcing the constitutional amendment clause be added. It shows who wants to talk about our problems and who really wants to do something about it.

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by f3lix

Thank God for the Tea Party not bending and forcing the constitutional amendment clause be added. It shows who wants to talk about our problems and who really wants to do something about it.

Forcing a constitutional amendment to require a balanced budget is not going to benefit anyone. Sometimes the government HAS to run over its budget to keep the rest of the economy going. There was a pretty solid article about it in either Time or Newsweek this week about the whole thing.

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Not ask people to call their Congressman for starters. He's the leader of the free world for Christ's sake. He needs to flex hits nuts more and make whiny pleas to "call your Congressman" less. I mean the President of the fucking United States stands up there and says, "uhh... please call your local representative!" It's weak shit. Jon Stewart put it perfectly: he quit on the job.

He really doesn't have the power to flex his nuts on domestic issues, he is at the mercy of the House and Senate ... if they were a foreign nation he could bomb the shit out of them but he has virtually no actual power to effect any change in congress.

Sure it can be said that its a failure of leadership etc etc ... but when some dumb nigger in the back of the class keeps acting like a dumb nigger ... do you blame the teacher for not being able to keep them in line? Or do you blame the parents that raised that dumb nigger and then allowed him to act a fool?

[Ugly Bastard]

You're very defensive for the status quo, DDT.

[angry pancake]

Originally Posted by Beebs

That was the point I was making.

That's a sales tax. And it's state and local. A direct tax on consumers. I'd just collect it for the state. Not much different than a fast food place.

[Repugnant Abomination]

[Orgazmo]

Honestly, I'm a little too driz to read the last few posts, but this is why that last post is fucking dumb:



Please note that I do not give a fuck. Not a single one. It's just that...making pictures like that is really easy to do. And they mean nothing.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Here are 8 Nobel Prize winning economists explaining why a balanced budget amendment is a bad idea.

http://w3.epi-data.org/temp2011/7-25-11bud-sig.pdf

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

You're very defensive for the status quo, DDT.

Yeah, there is a reason things are the way they are ... sadly the status quo is often the best we can do within the parameters we're given. It took me years of fighting through my own headstrong idealism to realize that more often than not, people get swept into emotionally charged topics with hopes of easy solutions when the truth really is: its complicated. Even the simplest shit is complicated these days.

Society as we live in it now has evolved to the way it is. I really mean that in a very close comparative way to the genetic evolution of man. Changes come in very small doses over time and eventually they add up to monumental differences. There are hundreds of thousands of moving parts, many of which can have catastrophic effects on the whole if just removed ... much like we cannot simply add or remove desired DNA sequences and expect our children to not be born retarded.

I really want things to change for the better, I really want landmark efforts to be made to put this country on the right path ... but 3/4ths of the guys responsible for legislating this shit really have no grasp of what they are doing or how it will impact future generations.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Originally Posted by Orgazmo

Honestly, I'm a little too driz to read the last few posts, but this is why that last post is fucking dumb:

repugisafaggot.png

Please note that I do not give a fuck. Not a single one. It's just that...making pictures like that is really easy to do. And they mean nothing.

Can you explain this post to me Orgazmo? Give a summary of your state of mind and your point. I'm honestly curious. maybe I'm slow but i don't know the point you were triying to make.

What is driz?
Were you angry when you made this post?
What does "pictures like that" mean?

[Orgazmo]

I'll try to explain it a little better after I get drunk tonight.

[f3lix]

Repug, you didn't address how the dems and Bambi STILL have not put forth a plan and we are 3 days from "doomsday." Please address that.

And spare me the bullshit about Nobel Prize winners. There credibility was entirely lost when they award Bambi the Nobel Peace Prize.

[f3lix]

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Here are 8 Nobel Prize winning economists explaining why a balanced budget amendment is a bad idea.

http://w3.epi-data.org/temp2011/7-25-11bud-sig.pdf

The nerve of these liberal fucks claiming the founders would disapprove of this is maddening.

If the gov't only borrowed a few times a decade, things would be different. Their spending is out of control and they don't give a fuck about how bad it gets. It's time to turn this country around by handcuffing the very people who have allowed it to get this bad. That means they will have to cut entitlement programs. If they spent 25% of the current money they give away on incentive programs, we'd be a whole lot better off financially and productively. Instead, we pay people to be unemployed. We pay people to have as many kids as they can, while not being able to support them. Our direction is wrong. It needs to be righted.

[thekremlin]

Is congress even ALLOWED to make amendments? Or do they need a 3/4 majority... which is obv impossible. Gaz, quit fucking around with pictures of animals and help us figure this shit out.

[f3lix]

Congress can start the amendment making process, of which the entire point is to isolate those who would vote it down and use it as campaign fodder in the next election. Dems don't want to get trapped, which is why Reid has tabled both GOP bills (note he hasn't even let the senate vote on them, which would allow the same kind of political maneuvering.)

But the media, dems, and Bam-Bam would have you believe it's the GOP not doing anything. Lies. All of them.

[f3lix]

And fucking Obama takes up night after night of national airtime for his bullshit begging speeches about how we need to compromise, yet he's declaring he'd veto if he doesn't get his way. What a hypocrite.

What I really think will happen is that Reid will pick and choose what he wants to keep and remove from the GOP bill of his choice, then vote in the Senate, pass it, send it back to the house and then claim that if the GOP doesn't vote to pass it, that they are the ruin of America. The MSM will eat that shit right up and tell America the GOP will not negotiate. This is where the Tea Party needs to remain more resilient than ever. They were voted into congress to not appease by standard Washington politics and they'd best hold up their end of the bargain (which I think the majority will, but will it be enough to counter the neo-cons who will side with the Dems due to MSM pressure of a "crisis-averted" and try to look like a hero, while pointing out that Tea Party congressmen are not good for success in Washington.)

Sick game.

[thekremlin]

tl;dr

[f3lix]

did you mean tl;du?

[thekremlin]

Yeah, you're so smart.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Dear Felix,

The fact that you don't think the dems have put forth any proposals shows how much of a zealot you really are. You honestly think they're just sitting in all of those meetings with their arms crossed, shaking their heads and stomping their feet and saying no, no, no!? They've been putting forward plans of their own for weeks. It's the GOP that says no every time because of their refusal to compromise on taxes. The only difference is that since the GOP controls the house, they can have these bullshit symbolic votes to show the American people that they're really trying to get this done, when they know their bill has no chance of passing because there's absolutely zero compromise in them. Meanwhile, the dems are working on plans with compromise to accommodate both parties, they simply haven't brought it to a vote because A) they know the Republican-controlled house will vote it down because B) the Republicans have said as much at the negotiation table. They're waiting until the GOP gives them the green light behind the scenes before they put any of their plans to a vote. All the GOP is doing is pandering to its radical base (aka you) and you're lapping it up like a kitten at its milk bowl.

Also, I'm pretty sure 8 Nobel Prize winning economists are objectively > you when talking about economics. I don't know, just a hunch.

It's kind of scary, because you don't even realize how out of touch with reality you are. You're over here talking about the evil "main stream media" and how the Nobel Prize doesn't mean shit and how we should go back to the gold standard and on and on and on.

You're a know-it-all who doesn't know anything, and pompous as all hell on top of it.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Originally Posted by f3lix

And fucking Obama takes up night after night of national airtime for his bullshit begging speeches about how we need to compromise, yet he's declaring he'd veto if he doesn't get his way. What a hypocrite.
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He's saying he's going to veto it if there's no compromise in the bill. How do you not understand that?

Am I talking to the love child of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh?