Stupid Fucking News Shit - Page 18 - Nubblies.net Forums

Mr. Blonde · 07-30-2012, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

The problem is not about religion, but rather the alteration of a defined process. For a process to be valid, it must be applied identically to all participants.

While I realize that being sworn-in to office is largely ceremonial, and that you could take your oath on a stack of Hustler magazines and have the same effect, are there any consequences to this type of behavior? Does this Congressman's oath still mean anything in the lands and laws of the United States? Where does the change stop? Shouldn't a Jewish congressman be allowed to swear on the Torah? How about an atheist swearing on a picture of Carl Sagan? As this change becomes more pervasive, the process becomes invalidated and the very concept of an oath becomes unclear.

Take it up with the Bible thumpers who came up with the idea. I'm all for everybody swearing on the Constitution. But your argument holds no water at all as long as the Bible is the majority document used, give me my fucking picture of Carl Sagan.

f3lix · 07-31-2012, 06:50 PM

I think a candidate should be required answer questions about the content of the constitution before being permitted for the ballot.

Orgazmo · 08-03-2012, 03:42 PM

'Penis snake' discovered in Brazil is actually a rare species of amphibian

Beebs · 08-04-2012, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

The problem is not about religion, but rather the alteration of a defined process. For a process to be valid, it must be applied identically to all participants.

While I realize that being sworn-in to office is largely ceremonial, and that you could take your oath on a stack of Hustler magazines and have the same effect, are there any consequences to this type of behavior? Does this Congressman's oath still mean anything in the lands and laws of the United States? Where does the change stop? Shouldn't a Jewish congressman be allowed to swear on the Torah? How about an atheist swearing on a picture of Carl Sagan? As this change becomes more pervasive, the process becomes invalidated and the very concept of an oath becomes unclear.

I don't care if swearing on the Koran will make the oath more sincere because this has nothing to do with religion. I don't care that it's a Koran. I care that it's not a Bible. I care that a well-established process is being invalidated by it's alteration to suit the desires of specific individuals or groups.

There is nothing official about the bible, you just have to affirm you will tell the truth / do your duty. Also swearing on something doesn't mean you agree to uphold the object, you uphold the truth.

Saint DH · 08-04-2012, 07:40 AM

I understand that, but now that someone has been allowed to change the thing which they swear upon, where will it end? As I said before, other religions could demand to use other books, but what if someone decides they don't like one of the lines to the oath they're swearing?

My point is that it's a standardized process, not a fucking outfit from your wardrobe. You don't get to pick and chose what you want. I realize that in this instance, it's probably meaningless, but I see far too much of this kind of stuff happening today.

ninjaface · 08-04-2012, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I realize that in this instance, it's probably meaningless, but I see far too much of this kind of stuff happening today.

Far too much sounds like a shit ton. Could you give me 2 or 3 examples?

Ironic Mustache · 08-04-2012, 02:38 PM

ninjaface just burned your conclusory ass.

(BTW I'm going to start throwing around words like "conclusory" a lot from now on. More often than not when they're inappropriate/unnecessary. That's right, I'm "that" guy.)

Dent · 08-04-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

While I realize that being sworn-in to office is largely ceremonial, and that you could take your oath on a stack of Hustler magazines and have the same effect, are there any consequences to this type of behavior?

You have no idea what you are talking about.
Of course you can take an oath on hustler magazines,should to oath giver see fit.
What do you mean consequences? Explain why being allowed to swear on one thing vs infinite things makes a difference. Some people are going to be offended anyway no matter what you swear on, you don't have the right to not be offended.

Christopher Hitchens - In Defense Of Unpopular Speech - YouTube

Saint DH · 08-04-2012, 09:31 PM

This happens any time someone is given special rights, usually as a result of their demands and claims of inequality. I can think of many examples of this, but I'd rather not open that can of worms because frankly, I just don't care that much about this.

I already explained what the consequences could be. I'm not going to repeat myself simply because you're dumb.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-04-2012, 09:53 PM

It seems even more problematic if you go the opposite direction and say everyone has to swear on the Bible because then you shit all over people's right to freedom of religion.

You can't make Christianity a federal standard. I agree with Blonde in that if this is a consistency issue then everyone should swear on the Constitution.

Dent · 08-05-2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I already explained what the consequences could be. I'm not going to repeat myself simply because you're dumb.

No you didn't you dumb fuck, you just asked silly questions.

Read again.

"While I realize that being sworn-in to office is largely ceremonial, and that you could take your oath on a stack of Hustler magazines and have the same effect, are there any consequences to this type of behavior? Does this Congressman's oath still mean anything in the lands and laws of the United States? Where does the change stop? Shouldn't a Jewish congressman be allowed to swear on the Torah? How about an atheist swearing on a picture of Carl Sagan? As this change becomes more pervasive, the process becomes invalidated and the very concept of an oath becomes unclear. "

If by explaining the consequences you mean 'the process becomes invalidated and the very concept of an oath becomes unclear' then it's not a very good explanation.

I'm guessing the US is similar to the UK in that if you are atheist (or whatever) and swear an oath on something you don't believe in (bible) you aren't exempt from perjury.
Does that not answer all 5 of your questions?

DJ FC · 08-05-2012, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

It seems even more problematic if you go the opposite direction and say everyone has to swear on the Bible because then you shit all over people's right to freedom of religion.

You can't make Christianity a federal standard. I agree with Blonde in that if this is a consistency issue then everyone should swear on the Constitution.

The problem with that is that politicians don't care about the constitution so their oath would have meaning. The reason we were swearing on the bible in the first place was because everybody took the bible pretty damn seriously. It completely makes sense for this guy to swear on the Koran because that's what is deathly serious to him. Every person's oath should be on the thing which they take mortally seriously. That used to be the bible for about everybody. Now it's probably internet porn.

thekremlin · 08-10-2012, 08:29 AM

NSFL

Seriously, parental advisory. It's about the bath salt miami cannibal

Miami Cannibal Victim Ronald Poppo: "He Just Ripped Me To Ribbons" - New York News - Runnin' Scared

DDTempest · 08-10-2012, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thekremlin

NSFL

Seriously, parental advisory. It's about the bath salt miami cannibal

Miami Cannibal Victim Ronald Poppo: "He Just Ripped Me To Ribbons" - New York News - Runnin' Scared

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Why did I scroll down?

thekremlin · 08-10-2012, 09:17 AM

Looks like DDT's avatar.

Saint DH · 08-10-2012, 09:57 AM

It's really not that bad. I've seen worse.

Dent · 08-10-2012, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It's really not that bad. I've seen worse.

Bet you haven't felt worse though eh?
No pain like your own

Beebs · 08-10-2012, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I understand that, but now that someone has been allowed to change the thing which they swear upon, where will it end? As I said before, other religions could demand to use other books, but what if someone decides they don't like one of the lines to the oath they're swearing?

My point is that it's a standardized process, not a fucking outfit from your wardrobe. You don't get to pick and chose what you want. I realize that in this instance, it's probably meaningless, but I see far too much of this kind of stuff happening today.

It doesn't end, you can demand anything you want, right now, today, always have been able to....that's kind of the point.

The standardized part is somehow acknowledging you are being held to a legal standard of truth. Thats. It. As long as it's somehow clear you are aware you're under oath, that is now and has always been enough, same for taking office. A good silent nod in the judges direction would do just fine.

It's all completely optional.

Beebs · 08-10-2012, 11:42 AM

The second picture somehow makes the first look not so bad, gives it a little more context.

I mean it's still quite bad, but you can tell it's a face.

Saint DH · 08-10-2012, 02:18 PM

I just meant that in terms of being grossed out by gore, it's not that bad. In terms of brutality and terrible pain, I'm sure it's hard to get much worse than this. I am deeply sympathetic for the victim. I can't imagine going through what he experienced.

DDTempest · 08-10-2012, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I am deeply sympathetic for the victim.

First sign of empathy from DH guys!

f3lix · 08-10-2012, 04:40 PM

He gets a job and has empathy... weird...

thekremlin · 08-23-2012, 06:52 AM

Sometimes I can't tell if I'm reading BBC or the onion. This is great:
BBC News - Spanish fresco restoration botched by amateur

Dent · 08-23-2012, 08:33 AM

Almost as bad
BBC News - Paralympic athletes who harm themselves to perform better

thekremlin · 08-29-2012, 05:09 AM

Samsung Pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cents Coins - Paperblog

08-04-2012, 02:38 PM	#432 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	ninjaface just burned your conclusory ass. (BTW I'm going to start throwing around words like "conclusory" a lot from now on. More often than not when they're inappropriate/unnecessary. That's right, I'm "that" guy.)
	Creeping around as I please nonchalantly like any other Supreme Emperor might.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Stupid Shit People (sometimes I) Say	DJ FC	Rants	12	05-19-2004 05:53 PM
OST: Thomas Gander vs. tonguegina	Ugly Bastard	Shit Talking Central	58	11-26-2003 08:51 PM

07-31-2012, 06:50 PM	#427 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I think a candidate should be required answer questions about the content of the constitution before being permitted for the ballot.

08-03-2012, 03:42 PM	#428 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,732 Internets: 311447	'Penis snake' discovered in Brazil is actually a rare species of amphibian

08-04-2012, 07:40 AM	#430 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,150 Internets: 284753	I understand that, but now that someone has been allowed to change the thing which they swear upon, where will it end? As I said before, other religions could demand to use other books, but what if someone decides they don't like one of the lines to the oath they're swearing? My point is that it's a standardized process, not a fucking outfit from your wardrobe. You don't get to pick and chose what you want. I realize that in this instance, it's probably meaningless, but I see far too much of this kind of stuff happening today.

08-04-2012, 09:31 PM	#434 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,150 Internets: 284753	This happens any time someone is given special rights, usually as a result of their demands and claims of inequality. I can think of many examples of this, but I'd rather not open that can of worms because frankly, I just don't care that much about this. I already explained what the consequences could be. I'm not going to repeat myself simply because you're dumb.

08-04-2012, 09:53 PM	#435 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	It seems even more problematic if you go the opposite direction and say everyone has to swear on the Bible because then you shit all over people's right to freedom of religion. You can't make Christianity a federal standard. I agree with Blonde in that if this is a consistency issue then everyone should swear on the Constitution.

08-10-2012, 09:57 AM	#441 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,150 Internets: 284753	It's really not that bad. I've seen worse.

08-10-2012, 11:42 AM	#444 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	The second picture somehow makes the first look not so bad, gives it a little more context. I mean it's still quite bad, but you can tell it's a face.

08-10-2012, 02:18 PM	#445 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,150 Internets: 284753	I just meant that in terms of being grossed out by gore, it's not that bad. In terms of brutality and terrible pain, I'm sure it's hard to get much worse than this. I am deeply sympathetic for the victim. I can't imagine going through what he experienced.

08-10-2012, 04:40 PM	#447 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	He gets a job and has empathy... weird...

08-23-2012, 08:33 AM	#449 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,528 Internets: 183146	Almost as bad BBC News - Paralympic athletes who harm themselves to perform better