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VOL · 04-06-2004, 03:07 PM

It has been 10 years since Kurt Cobain left the world. On the Today show they had two guys on there saying he was possibly murdered, but aside from that debate we'll make this a thread to discuss our favorite Cobain (Nirvana) songs, moments, and story headlines. Feel free to share your thoughts and recognize one of the best in his hayday.

renovo · 04-06-2004, 03:15 PM

I saw this on the Today show too. I think it is an unlikely story that he was murdered. Why would they just come out now and discuss this after 10 years?

Back to the point, I was thinking of this today and I think that his stint with Courtney Love was pretty memorable, can you imagine having been there neighbors?

Orgazmo · 04-06-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by renovo:
Why would they just come out now and discuss this after 10 years?

I remember the idea of murder being kicked around quite heavily not too long after it happened.

Lucifer · 04-06-2004, 04:42 PM

Favorite song - Lithium

underwater · 04-06-2004, 05:47 PM

i will always believe that courtney killed him. that bitch.

VOL · 04-06-2004, 10:12 PM

Why would she do that?

Ugly Bastard · 04-06-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by underwater:
i will always believe that courtney killed him. that bitch.

Who the fuck cares? The pussy killed himself...get over it.

-Ugly Bastard

StabMaster Arson · 04-06-2004, 11:24 PM

If you look at the official reports from that time, you'll see that it would've been next to impossible for him to have done it to himself.

Elegy · 04-06-2004, 11:36 PM

Here's an equation of how it works:
Musician + Drugs/Booze + Emotional Distress = Suicide/Overdose

Just ask Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, or Big Momma Cass.

Ugly Bastard · 04-06-2004, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StabMaster Arson:
If you look at the official reports from that time, you'll see that it would've been next to impossible for him to have done it to himself.

Can you prove something like that for me? I really don't want to look it all up, 'cause I don't care that much...but maybe you could back up your post with a few facts from the case. I'm genuenly curious.

-Ugly Bastard

VOL · 04-06-2004, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StabMaster Arson:
If you look at the official reports from that time, you'll see that it would've been next to impossible for him to have done it to himself.

Show me these official reports you speak of. It's not impossible to put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Elegy stated it perfectly. But I still want to see these reports.

fancymeghan · 04-07-2004, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elegy:
Here's an equation of how it works:
Musician + Drugs/Booze + Emotional Distress = Suicide/Overdose

Just ask Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, or Big Momma Cass.

mama cass choked on a ham sandwich. she didn't overdose/commit suicide. she was just real hungry.

Lucifer · 04-07-2004, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VOL:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StabMaster Arson:
If you look at the official reports from that time, you'll see that it would've been next to impossible for him to have done it to himself.

Show me these official reports you speak of. It's not impossible to put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Elegy stated it perfectly. But I still want to see these reports.[/quote]VOL, even if he did show you the 'official' documents you wouldn't know how to make heads or tails of them.

-Lucifer.

Elegy · 04-07-2004, 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by fancymeghan:
mama cass choked on a ham sandwich. she didn't overdose/commit suicide. she was just real hungry.

Cleary she choked on the ham sandwich from emotional trauma.

Just kidding, thanks for the 411, FM.

Super Nintendo · 04-07-2004, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ugly Bastard:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by underwater:
i will always believe that courtney killed him. that bitch.

Who the fuck cares? The pussy killed himself...get over it.

-Ugly Bastard[/quote]Who the fuck cares?!?!? Come on...LOTS of people care.

Also, his little stint with Courtney Love??? They were married and had a child, hardly a "stint".

Favorite song: maybe Rape Me, maybe Pennyroyal Tea and maybe Heart Shaped Box.

Lucifer · 04-07-2004, 01:47 AM

Just wanted to clarify that yes, Mr. Cobain is burning in hell (but he rather likes it).

-Satan

StabMaster Arson · 04-07-2004, 02:01 AM

1. Cass Elliot's death was initially misreported as having been caused by her choking on a sandwich. The true cause of death, a heart attack, was not determined until an autopsy was performed a week later, but by that time the "ham sandwich" story had become entrenched in the public's mind.

2. A quick google for 'cobain's murder' got me a plenty of sites that might help you out...

basically,
-the gun was wiped clean of prints
-someone was using a credit card he always kept in his wallet in the time between his death and his body being found
-the entire investigation was bullshit because they chalked it up to being a suicide immediately
-the last lines of the "suicide note" were in a completely different handwriting and no mention of suicide was made before these lines
-At least three days after his death, his blood contained 1.52 milligrams of morphine per litre plus traces of a "diazepam-like" substance. This level is three times the lethal dose of heroin even for severe heroin addicts. Generally, a blood morphine level of 0.5mg/L is caused by 75 mg - 80 mg of heroin, the established maximum lethal dose, even for severe addicts. Research shows that an overdose in the range of that received by Cobain would lead to immediate and complete incapacitation and/or immediate death.
-the coroner who declared cause of death as a shotgun wound knew Courtney and Kurt personally... conflict of interest
-there were many discrepancies in the initial investigation and the homocide investigation (which was basically a show to keep the media off their backs according to a cop there at the time)
-At the time of all of this, there were a shitload of rumors that Kurt was leaving Courtney
-a couple months after Kurt's death, Kristen Pfaff, bassist for Hole, decided that she needed to get away from Courtney and the rest of the band... the day before she left she was found dead of a heroin and morphine overdose. One of the main reasons she said she wanted to leave is because she had been through rehab, was clean and didn't want to be around the drug scene anymore.

quite possibly the most damning evidence against Courtney is this...
On March 19th, 1997, Eldon hoke aka El Duce of the band 'The Mentors', dies mysteriously on a train track in Riverside,Ca. It was one week after he did an interview with Nick Broomfeild for his film "Kurt and Courtney" where he reveals Courtney Love approached him with an offer of $50,000 to kill her husband, Kurt Cobain. Some speculate that Hoke was not the most reliable witness and was telling this tale for monetary gain.

His story was given to Tom Grant in which he was aware of an earlier interview Hoke had done with 'High Times Magazine' in April of 1996. Grant in turn decided to get Hoke a polygraph test before he could believe it.

On March 6th, 1996, a national television program hired an examiner to do a polygraph examination on Hoke. As it turned out, they hired the very best in the country, Dr. Edward Gelb in who is one of the few experts who's testimony is accepted by the Los Angeles Police Commision. He is presently conducting examinations for at least 100 defense attorneys as well as district attorneys offices and police angencies. He was also the one who gave OJ Simpson his polygraph test in the case of his murdered ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, in which he failed miserably.

Dr. Gelb scored Eldon Hoke's test and came back with the result of .01 % possiblity of deception! It doesn't get better than that! Grant had asked Gelb if there was any way that Hoke could've fooled the machine and Gelb conifdently replies, "Not this guy!"

Unfortunatley, Hoke is dead before he can sit in a court's witness chair and publically record his story.

if you want more information regarding this, I'll really get into it sometime or with very little research, you could clearly see for yourself that it couldn't have been suicide... dead men can't pull triggers.

[ April 07, 2004, 12:06 AM: Message edited by: StabMaster Arson ]

AcTivE · 04-07-2004, 02:39 AM

the heroine thing is what makes it a big deal. he wouldn't be able to take a needle out of his harm, or put a shotgun in his mouth

Elegy · 04-07-2004, 03:28 AM

Suicide? Murder?

Different problems, same answer.

It's in God's hands now.

underwater · 04-07-2004, 04:41 AM

see? see? what'd i tell ya.

Lucifer · 04-07-2004, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elegy:
Suicide? Murder?

Different problems, same answer.

It's in God's hands now.

God's allready done with the matter, I chill with Cobain on the weekends.

04-06-2004, 03:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
VOL Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: there Posts: 2,305 Internets: -205	It has been 10 years since Kurt Cobain left the world. On the Today show they had two guys on there saying he was possibly murdered, but aside from that debate we'll make this a thread to discuss our favorite Cobain (Nirvana) songs, moments, and story headlines. Feel free to share your thoughts and recognize one of the best in his hayday.
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04-06-2004, 04:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
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04-06-2004, 05:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
underwater Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: indiana Posts: 1,453 Internets: 10	i will always believe that courtney killed him. that bitch.
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04-06-2004, 10:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
VOL Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: there Posts: 2,305 Internets: -205	Why would she do that?
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04-06-2004, 11:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
StabMaster Arson Roscoe P. Coldchain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stabbin Cabin Posts: 2,759 Internets: 1425	If you look at the official reports from that time, you'll see that it would've been next to impossible for him to have done it to himself.
	LEGALIZE CRIME!

04-06-2004, 03:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
renovo Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: dallas, tx Posts: 67 Internets: 10	I saw this on the Today show too. I think it is an unlikely story that he was murdered. Why would they just come out now and discuss this after 10 years? Back to the point, I was thinking of this today and I think that his stint with Courtney Love was pretty memorable, can you imagine having been there neighbors?

04-06-2004, 11:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Elegy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bloomington Posts: 197 Internets: 10	Here's an equation of how it works: Musician + Drugs/Booze + Emotional Distress = Suicide/Overdose Just ask Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, or Big Momma Cass.

04-07-2004, 01:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
Lucifer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hell Posts: 200 Internets: 10	Just wanted to clarify that yes, Mr. Cobain is burning in hell (but he rather likes it). -Satan
	I will rape you in hell.

04-07-2004, 02:01 AM	#17 (permalink)
StabMaster Arson Roscoe P. Coldchain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stabbin Cabin Posts: 2,759 Internets: 1425	1. Cass Elliot's death was initially misreported as having been caused by her choking on a sandwich. The true cause of death, a heart attack, was not determined until an autopsy was performed a week later, but by that time the "ham sandwich" story had become entrenched in the public's mind. 2. A quick google for 'cobain's murder' got me a plenty of sites that might help you out... basically, -the gun was wiped clean of prints -someone was using a credit card he always kept in his wallet in the time between his death and his body being found -the entire investigation was bullshit because they chalked it up to being a suicide immediately -the last lines of the "suicide note" were in a completely different handwriting and no mention of suicide was made before these lines -At least three days after his death, his blood contained 1.52 milligrams of morphine per litre plus traces of a "diazepam-like" substance. This level is three times the lethal dose of heroin even for severe heroin addicts. Generally, a blood morphine level of 0.5mg/L is caused by 75 mg - 80 mg of heroin, the established maximum lethal dose, even for severe addicts. Research shows that an overdose in the range of that received by Cobain would lead to immediate and complete incapacitation and/or immediate death. -the coroner who declared cause of death as a shotgun wound knew Courtney and Kurt personally... conflict of interest -there were many discrepancies in the initial investigation and the homocide investigation (which was basically a show to keep the media off their backs according to a cop there at the time) -At the time of all of this, there were a shitload of rumors that Kurt was leaving Courtney -a couple months after Kurt's death, Kristen Pfaff, bassist for Hole, decided that she needed to get away from Courtney and the rest of the band... the day before she left she was found dead of a heroin and morphine overdose. One of the main reasons she said she wanted to leave is because she had been through rehab, was clean and didn't want to be around the drug scene anymore. quite possibly the most damning evidence against Courtney is this... On March 19th, 1997, Eldon hoke aka El Duce of the band 'The Mentors', dies mysteriously on a train track in Riverside,Ca. It was one week after he did an interview with Nick Broomfeild for his film "Kurt and Courtney" where he reveals Courtney Love approached him with an offer of $50,000 to kill her husband, Kurt Cobain. Some speculate that Hoke was not the most reliable witness and was telling this tale for monetary gain. His story was given to Tom Grant in which he was aware of an earlier interview Hoke had done with 'High Times Magazine' in April of 1996. Grant in turn decided to get Hoke a polygraph test before he could believe it. On March 6th, 1996, a national television program hired an examiner to do a polygraph examination on Hoke. As it turned out, they hired the very best in the country, Dr. Edward Gelb in who is one of the few experts who's testimony is accepted by the Los Angeles Police Commision. He is presently conducting examinations for at least 100 defense attorneys as well as district attorneys offices and police angencies. He was also the one who gave OJ Simpson his polygraph test in the case of his murdered ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, in which he failed miserably. Dr. Gelb scored Eldon Hoke's test and came back with the result of .01 % possiblity of deception! It doesn't get better than that! Grant had asked Gelb if there was any way that Hoke could've fooled the machine and Gelb conifdently replies, "Not this guy!" Unfortunatley, Hoke is dead before he can sit in a court's witness chair and publically record his story. if you want more information regarding this, I'll really get into it sometime or with very little research, you could clearly see for yourself that it couldn't have been suicide... dead men can't pull triggers. [ April 07, 2004, 12:06 AM: Message edited by: StabMaster Arson ]
	LEGALIZE CRIME!

04-07-2004, 02:39 AM	#18 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	the heroine thing is what makes it a big deal. he wouldn't be able to take a needle out of his harm, or put a shotgun in his mouth
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04-07-2004, 03:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
Elegy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bloomington Posts: 197 Internets: 10	Suicide? Murder? Different problems, same answer. It's in God's hands now.

04-07-2004, 04:41 AM	#20 (permalink)
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