this school is gay.....

[VOL]

Obviously VOL agrees with Bert on the facts. This guy is gay and flaunts it in front of people. What happens if straight people want to flaunt themselves? They end up in trouble for Inapropriate exposure in public. I guess the RA and the RHD do not understand the fact that gay people do not run the world and hopefully will never run the world. It is a double standard put against us straight people. VOL's only hope is that it blows over.(no pun intended)

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by VOL:
Obviously VOL agrees with Bert on the facts.

What facts?

Originally posted by VOL:
This guy is gay and flaunts it in front of people. What happens if straight people want to flaunt themselves? They end up in trouble for Inapropriate exposure in public.

That is the stupidest fucking thing you've said Vol, and you've said a lot of stupid shit. Using your logic, if I wrote "I'm not a democrat" on my dry erase board, I would get in trouble for inappropriate exposure.

Originally posted by VOL:
I guess the RA and the RHD do not understand the fact that gay people do not run the world and hopefully will never run the world.

You ignorant piece of feces. Brainless fools don't run the world, but they still let you be. Part of what makes this country great is that even though we're all different, we all have the same rights.

Originally posted by VOL:
It is a double standard put against us straight people.

How is it a double standard, vol? They don't bitch at you for being straight, so what gives you the right to give them flack for being gay?

Because you think they're flamboyant about it or something? Maybe they think you're flamboyant with your heterosexuality.

Let them live their bloody life, they are hurting you.

[ October 22, 2003, 07:58 PM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

[VOL]

They do hurt straight people. I am fine with gay people. I do not hate them or wish anything bad on them. My point is that society needs to lay off of the double standards towards both homosexuals and heterosexuals. That causes problems.

[Pliedes]

Explain the double standard. Please.
Because your previous example was retarded.

[VOL]

when gay people can display their gayness. When straight people challenge that it's wrong; however when straight people want to display themselves gay people think that they can have an RA or whoever stop them because it is harming them. Look Pliedes, it is hard to explain. At some schools it is a common thing that happens.

[ October 22, 2003, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: VOL ]

[BigDongedHoe]

I don't need to "site" scientific evidence of wether or not it's a choice. I'll go from opinion and some examples in life that have been brought upon me.

A) If being gay was a "choice" as shroeder calls it then who in the name of fuck would want to do that. Who honestly in there right mind would choose a life of discrimination, hatred, and constant struggle for not being accepted. I know I sure as fuck would not and I'm not really sure who would.

B) I have a cousin that is homosexual, he dated girls in high school and plainly found himself unhappy and uncomfortable. His gay buddy was actually married before my cousin and he got together. He was married for 10 years and had a kid and could not figure out why he was so unhappy. He then found himself to be gay, now let me ask you do you think him being gay was a choice there? He all of a sudden thought "shit I'll be gay!" There is no fucking way that's the case, he was genetically wired to be gay and had a hard time dealing with that concept and a hard time finding it as well.

I think Professor brought up a good point. When you were 12 and 13 years old did you conciously make a choice to be straight? No you didn't, and I didn't either. We were just born that way to notice women. I knew females turned me on as soon as I was old enough to understand homosexuality.

It's not a choice Shroeder, for some that beg for attention and are psychologically ill it may be. The truth is you are either born gay or straight.

[ October 22, 2003, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: BigDongedHoe ]

[Niger Angelus]

No man is born wanting to stick his penis in another man's ass. Plain and simple, no one is born gay.

Just because you feel you are gay later on in live, it doesn't mean you are gay. That is just a cop-out. The reason people are gay is mainly self loathing. That is what it is, they need attention for something so pitiful. It is because they hate themself, or are just unhappy with how they are. And with just staying 'straight' no one notices them.

It is starving for attetion and trying to make other people unhappy with you because of your unhappiness with yourself.

[BigDongedHoe]

That's totally untrue and ignorant to say. I've had talks with my cousin about it, and he basically said he always kind of new he was gay but couldn't really bring himself to terms that he was, he tried dating and was un-happy but after getting with a male he was extremely happy and that was what he was born to be.

Originally posted by Niger Angelus:

It is starving for attetion and trying to make other people unhappy with you because of your unhappiness with yourself.

I'll re-iterate what I previously said. What kind of person wants to choose a life of hatred, discrimination, and unacceptance to the world? Nobody truly wants that. There are people who may find the everyday world to much to handle, or feel unaccepted in that. Therefore they will turn to another crowd (gangs, goths, exc..). Men are not going to turn into a homosexual for acceptance because they won't be accepted by everyone else.

[Pliedes]

BDH, I’m not trying to a cock, but scientific evidence demands a scientific answer. All of us have valid opinions, but they in no way prove anything.

You say no one would want to choose that lifestyle. Just because it seems like a step down to you, doesn’t mean that’s so for others. Not everywhere is the homosexual lifestyle is not looked down upon and treated with anger. It’s relative to each person and therefore completely useless in determining if homosexuality is genetic.

“Men are not going to turn into a homosexual for acceptance because they won't be accepted by everyone else.”
Maybe their not looking for acceptance from everybody, just somebody. The world is not as utterly condemning of homosexuality as you make it out to be. Either way, that is in no way conclusive evidence.

What about people who say they’re born gay? They know what they’re talking about, right? The same would then go for people who were homosexual and then denounced it. Or those who were straight and then became gay. We can play games all day but the fact remains that the testimony of one or even a thousand people is in no way conclusive evidence.

Let me ask this, could a person who is straight make the decision to become homosexual right now? And is the converse also possible? There are people out there who might be able to make such a switch, others who could not at all. If everyone is at different stages, then doesn’t that point away from the binary method of classification? Maybe it’s more of inclinations that are nurtured one way or another. Mere speculation though.

Let’s start gathering actual evidence instead of making uninformed, ignorant comments.

[Schroeder]

The fact that nobody truly wants discriminated against does not change the fact that they still join groups that are discriminated against. Some people love to be hated. Gays make a choice to outcast themselves, mostly to feel like they belong to a group.

Your cousin could have very easily convinced himself that he was gay the whole time. Denial is the most common symptom. He decided he wanted to be gay, as all gays decide they want to be gay. You go to Grace. Would God actually create a person who's sexuality would go against everything He teaches? No, of course not. God intended man and woman, and man and woman only.

[Pliedes]

Schroeder, how many gay people do you have personal relationships with?
(Not that it's entirely relevant, I'm just curious)

Not everyone believes a god exists, let alone the christian god. Take the religous discussion elsewhere.

[Schroeder]

Not any, I guess. Just as well.

What's the deal, anyway? If you make fun of someone on Nubblies, what do you say? What does anyone say? Most of the time you call them a fag or make some other comment about someone being gay. Then come into this post and say it's okay. Hypocrites!

[Alpha]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Not any, I guess. Just as well.

What's the deal, anyway? If you make fun of someone on Nubblies, what do you say? What does anyone say? Most of the time you call them a fag or make some other comment about someone being gay. Then come into this post and say it's okay. Hypocrites!

I'm sorry you mistook this thread for the "I'm a little bitch and want to whine" thread. Which is located on the kiddie porn page you run and maintain.

[Schroeder]

And since you acknowledge it's existence, does that mean you've been there, Alpha?

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
Not everyone believes a god exists, let alone the christian god.

Yep, that's an oxymoron for sure: Christian Homosexual.

[Alpha]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
And since you acknowledge it's existence, does that mean you've been there, Alpha?

I think we've all been duped by you to visit it at least once.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pliedes:
Not everyone believes a god exists, let alone the christian god.

Yep, that's an oxymoron for sure: Christian Homosexual.</font>[/quote]That has nothing to do with the quote. How is a Christian Homosexual and different from a Christian Liar? A Christian theif? A Christian Adulturer? A Racist Christion?
You're just a Christian Fuck.

[Schroeder]

Those types of people don't exist either.

[the_butcher]

Yeh they do, you're living proof. You know what you need to do? You need to have a thread titled "Schroeder's Thread to Bring up Christian Things In", because it would have more posts than any other thread. Go fuck yourself.

[BigDongedHoe]

Originally posted by Schroeder:

Your cousin could have very easily convinced himself that he was gay the whole time. Denial is the most common symptom. He decided he wanted to be gay, as all gays decide they want to be gay. You go to Grace. Would God actually create a person who's sexuality would go against everything He teaches? No, of course not. God intended man and woman, and man and woman only.

Shroeder how much do you know about my cousin besides what I told you? You know nothing about him, as my cousin was growing up (when he was 6 and 7 years old) my parents found him doing things that leaned towards homosexuality. They told me by the age of 9 they were 100% sure he was homosexual. Do you think he could choose something at 7 or 8 years old that he doesn't even know about? There's no fucking way Schroeder.

I agree God intended for man and woman only however in Leviticus 18:22 it talks about a man having sex with another man as a sin. You act as if God disposes the fact that homosexuality even exists. God knew that it would and acknowledges it in Leviticus Schroeder. Your logic is totally flawed though. Saying that is the same as me saying "Would god create a man to have pre-marital sex, which goes against everything he teaches?" God doesn't have that choice Shroeder, he didn't intend for a man to be gay however people are born that way, just as people are born and have pre-marital sex.

I don't care if you want to argue the points but at least have a clue what you are talking about before you get into it Shroeder.

[ProfessorNumber]

Schroeder: From a logical standpoint you can not bring religion into an argument. Religion is not an accepted "truth" and it is certainly not a basis for scientific proof. Spare us your bullshit rhetoric about how you personally believe that Christianity is a "truth".

However, if you want to bring religion into the argument (which is your usual pathetic way of arguing your points), then so be it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Christianity teach acceptance and tolerance? I feel sorry for you if your religion is so misconstrued that it teaches you to hate people. I realize that you haven't directly said that you "hate" homosexual people. However, EVERY fucking statement that you have made has alluded to that idea.

I don't consider myself a good Christian by any means. But I think you are grossly over-analyzing the Bible, and twisting its messages to mean whatever you want them to.

[Pliedes]

PN, you're obviously intelligent enough to know that from a Christian standpoint, homosexuality is a sin. But I completely agree with your first statement, and it reiterates what I already said; this is a scientific question and it has no room for religion.

That being said, would somebody please for fuck's sake stop babbling on about shit which isn't even remotely conclusive evidence and offer up some actual information. So far PN has been the only one to do so.

[fat_retard]

It seems to me that people use Christianity to hide thier own insecurities. They use it as an excuse as to why they hate something or someone and still feel good about themselves. Christianity teaches love and tolerance more than they teach against homosexuality or against anything else for that matter. Schroeder, you need to realize that not everyone believes in God and that everyone has different morals and beliefs than you, thats the problem about most religious people. They think they are above everybody else just becuase they they go to church and "Live their lives by the Bible" or whatever. Its just wrong to opress or discriminate against anyone for any reason. Well thats my two cents, hope it was relevant enough for you all.

[Pliedes]

Most of the research I run across seems to confirm my own hypotesis about homosexuality: genetics play a substantial, but not exclusive, role in determining sexuality.

Here's one case:

A study of twins shows a possible connection between biology and homosexuality.

In a survey of 4,000 people, a research psychologist at the Medical College of Virginia found that a third of the time when one identical twin is gay, the other is also gay.

The researcher, Dr. Kenneth Kendler, told the BBC that his findings do not mean "sexual orientation (is) genetically determined, but clearly genes are playing some role by interacting with a range of environmental factors."

The study included 794 pairs of twins of which 40 percent were identical twins. The researchers said their findings indicated that a greater percentage of identical twins included two gays in the pair compared to non-identical twins. Among non-identical twins, 8.3 percent were both gay, but with identical twins 31.6 percent were both gay.

Kendler said he recognized that the study sample was small, but nonetheless, "we were finding something that was moderately inheritable," he said.

here is a decent an undergrad paper on the subject

Now your turn.

[ October 23, 2003, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

[Pliedes]

Fat_retard, I am utterly sure that Schroeder realizes people believe things other than what he does, there is no need to point that out. As for as your own opinion, if you're saying that people should never place one system of beliefs over another, well, then isn't that in turn doing exactly what you're against? Yes, it is.
Regardless, let's try to stay somewhat on topic here... granted we've already branched from the original post, but still.

[fat_retard]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
As for as your own opinion, if you're saying that people should never place one system of beliefs over another, well, then isn't that in turn doing exactly what you're against? Yes, it is.

That is what I believe, I may not have expressed it properly in my post, but nonetheless, thats how I feel, at least I realize that I am somewhat hypocritical unlike most people who are. Now that I do read my post it is contradictory to a point, but sometimes I get really annoyed/pissed off by the way (most)Christians think of themselves and other people. Hope that makes sense to you.