Prometheus

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

He wasn't learning languages just for curiosity/improvement though. He was learning them with the express purpose of communicating with the Engineers.

The result and the intent are not mutually exclusive ... he was programmed to be curious, they gave him "lessons" to explore, those "lessons" happened to be useful. Think of him more along the lines of Data on Star Trek.

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Alright so then when they land they just happen to enter the atmosphere in the exact area where the huge mound structures are? From the outside that moon looked at least as big, if not bigger than Earth, which is possible depending on how huge the gas giant it was orbiting was. Regardless, even if it was half the size of Earth, that's still a HUGE amount of land to cover and it's unlikely (although possible) the moon was littered with such facilities. They couldn't have scanned the planet first instead of just leaving it down to "luck of the draw"? My suspension of disbelief can only take so much.

You don't know the topography of the rest of the planet. Imagine another species coming to Earth ... how far would they have to go before they saw signs of civilization? Five hundred miles at most? That would take what? Five minutes at space cruiser speed? Perhaps you were hoping for a director's cut where they spend an hour on screen flying around the planet going "Nope! Nothing here, let's keep looking! It's a movie, sometimes pacing is more important than plausibility. How long would the "above average" movie goer put up with them flying around doing jack shit?

Alien biology --- what the fuck? slugs in the ground? Organic sludge? quad core alien seeds inside the vases? Why so much random fucking shit? What the fuck was in the vases? How did the slugs on the ground stay alive? Were they in a "chrysalis" stage triggered by the sludge?

Why would someone create a biological weapon that was so diversely horrible? Probably because it works. And "because they could"

What purpose did it serve for David to contaminate Holloway, other than petty jealousy that he shouldn't even be programmed to fucking have in the first place? Was it to "take him out of the game" with finding/speaking to any remaining Engineers? So Holloway was prejudiced towards robots, who gives a fuck, he's a ROBOT. And why would he risk contaminating the whole ship? He didn't know what would happen after he infected him -- he could have infected god-damn Weyland! Fuck!

If you remember from EVERY SINGLE ALIEN MOVIE synthetic beings in this franchise have always been programmed with an "unofficial mission" that a human being would probably find morally reprehensible. Its more likely that David was testing the extent to which the contagion was contagious. He was probably programmed to assess the threat before thawing out captain immortality, and the only way to thoroughly assess a virus is to give it to someone.

What the fuck happened to that Millburn guy? Last we saw he was getting his face melted off by bloodacid. Then he turns into some kind of crabwalking monster? How the fuck did that happen? What fucking purpose did that serve in the movie at all except shock/horror value? It has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING in the entire Alien franchise. I'm literally getting angry even typing it out, god damn.

I can see where you're coming from on this, but to be fair it was his helmet that was being melted, not his face ... As far as him turning into a rampaging mutant berzerker? I would see above about the diversity of the bioweapon(s). I imagine these were war ships armed with an array of weapons, not just the Xenomorph thing.

Why did everyone just IGNORE that Shaw just got impregnated with a fucking ALIEN FETUS and performed self surgery on herself. After this it's like she's given a free pass for the rest of the movie to wander wherever she likes. Stumble into Weyland's secret awakening? Sure. Come (and very possibly jeopardize given her emotional and physical condition) on the trip to speak to the Engineer with a dying Weyland? Sure fuck it. David, who was hell bent on killing her husband and putting her into suspended animation, completely forgets about her once she removes the fetus. What the fuck man.

Ultimately when you are up shit creek on the other side of the fucking galaxy, the last thing you want to do is pick fights with everyone. David was the only one that was ever concerned with her, and he was just trying to capture the alien inside her and take it back (as programmed), everyone else was essentially following his lead. Once she ran off, the pussy doctors that she jacked up are unlikely to fight as they are not trained for that, and David doesn't give a shit about her because he's busy waking up the boss ... no baby alien fetus, no reason to care about her.

How did that supposedly dead (goddamn are xenomorphs indestructable?) tentacle thing that came out of her grow to the size it did without any food or nutrition? Did it just pull resources out of the air? It was like 100 times it's "out of the fetus" size at the end of the movie. All other alien/space travel shit aside, that's simply biologically fucking impossible. Although, now that I think about it, the same sort of thing happened in the original Alien movies, but at least they usually had killed at least one or two people to "feed" off of before growing to the size they did.

There has always been a sizeable gap in the biomass consumed and created by the Xenomorphs. Think of the resin they secreted to make the fucking "hives" in Aliens ... its not feasible within the laws of physics / conservation of mass/energy, but it happened before so its fair game in this movie as well.

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Was it clear to no one else in the movie that it didn't seem to me like the Engineers "hated" us as Shaw said near the end? I thought it was pretty obvious they were creating us as "lab rats/cattle" so to speak to serve as disposable surrogates for the xenomorph weapons they were creating for who knows what purposes. This explains the Engineer at the end's hostility towards us and why they wanted to send the little critters to Earth. Shaw, you dumb bitch, if they "hated" us they would have just nuked our fucking planet.
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I think you missed the whole symbolism of the movie. In the opening sequence you noticed that the space ship that dropped off the first guy was different than the warships they discovered? My take was that this man was the metaphorical "Prometheus" ... he stole "fire" from the gods in the form of DNA ... populating earth with his own DNA which would eventually evolve into modern man.

Of course the rival clan/sect/tribe/whatever was not pleased with the assortment of spawned civilizations throughout the galaxy so they started a campaign to end them ... the installations on the discovered planet were probably as far as they got before their campaign petered out, essentially making it to the "Prometheus Clan's" home planet ... the one that the "Prometheans" invited us to visit once our species reached the pinnacle of evolution.

Bottom line: Prometheus did a fantastic job of capturing the essence of the original Alien movie. It showed the shit hitting the fan in terrifying ways in what was otherwise a ho-hum work outing. Of course we are so desensitized today that the shit we saw in Alien would not freak us out like it did back then, so he had to go for some pure disgust driven freakouts ... like crab walking techno vikings, rapid alien fetus gestation, and undying octopus tentacle monsters.

[Mr. Blonde]

I see we're just abandoning spoiler tags then. Alright.

I get what you're saying; RE: keeping up with the Joneses in the modern "Saw" era, but I still thought the crabwalking part was just dumb.

I also went to the bathroom during the part where David was talking to Weyland, so I missed that whole part about the "secret mission" entirely. My bad.

So why would the "Prometheus" Engineer who helped spawn mankind lead us to a planet where they wanted to kill us? I'm not quite sure I follow that.

Are you getting this from somewhere online or is it your interpretation? You posit that there were two factions, one that wanted to create mankind, and one that didn't? What was the purpose of creating (seemingly inferior) mankind elsewhere, and taking hundreds of millions (or billions, not sure what stage they show up on planet earth) of years to do it? And does my surrogate/cattle theory carry any weight in your opinion?

[DJ FC]

What's the exchange rate between dollars and credits?

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

So why would the "Prometheus" Engineer who helped spawn mankind lead us to a planet where they wanted to kill us? I'm not quite sure I follow that.

I've read nothing online, just saw the movie twice and this is my interpretation. I don't think the same guy that "spawned us" is the same one depicted in the cave drawings, which occurred in different centuries according to the film. I picture it more as a science experiment that took their DNA coupled with whatever was in the little bowl at the beginning and it essentially worked out to make man EVENTUALLY. They visited this fledgling species that turned out to be the same genetic makeup as them (pinnacle of evolution) and invited them to their planet of operation (LV-426?). This is faction A.

Faction B didn't like that shit. Their genetic makeup should not be dilluted or used for other whatever blah blah blah Prometheus stealing power from the gods metaphor ... so they go to Faction A's home base planet and say "what the fuck are you guys doing? Oh I see where you guys have been performing your little experiments. We're going to kill you then kill them! Ooops I spilled some of this shit! Oh fuck we're all dead!"

[DJ FC]

Why when they woke up that dude did he turn immediately violent? He's basically human, right? I mean he is as smart or smarter than us? So why did he get physical so quickly? Kinda dumb move and didn't work his way.

[Repugnant Abomination]

I want to know what David said to him when they woke him up.

[DJ FC]

There's a chance he was just speaking jibberish.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Originally Posted by DJ FC

Why when they woke up that dude did he turn immediately violent? He's basically human, right? I mean he is as smart or smarter than us? So why did he get physical so quickly? Kinda dumb move and didn't work his way.

Humans are bugs to him.

Or he was jealous or pissed off they built David.

Gotta watch the scene again.

[thekremlin]

[quote=Mr. Blonde;428043
I also went to the bathroom during the part where David was talking to Weyland, so I missed that whole part about the "secret mission" entirely. My bad.
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Lol at "I didn't like this movie because there were so many unanswerable questions/things that didn't make sense to me" and "I took a poop in the middle of the movie and missed helpful exposition."

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by DJ FC

Why when they woke up that dude did he turn immediately violent? He's basically human, right? I mean he is as smart or smarter than us? So why did he get physical so quickly? Kinda dumb move and didn't work his way.

Imagine you were awoken by a bunch of midget aliens? How are you going to respond?

[thekremlin]

I'd probably try to destroy the planet they come from, personally.

[DJ FC]

Originally Posted by DDTempest

Imagine you were awoken by a bunch of midget aliens? How are you going to respond?

And I'd been asleep for 2000 years and one of them speaks to me in English? Yeah I'd probably try to kill them immediately before having a word. Then I'd calmly fly my spaceship away. Perfectly normal reaction.

[thekremlin]

Back when we were roommates I tried to wake you up and you threw a shoe at me. You'd only been sleeping 8 hours. (Throwing shoe)*[(2000 years)/(8 hours)]> killing an entire race.

[Repugnant Abomination]

He probably tried to kill them because David said they called him a a buttcunt right before waking him up.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by thekremlin

Lol at "I didn't like this movie because there were so many unanswerable questions/things that didn't make sense to me" and "I took a poop in the middle of the movie and missed helpful exposition."

Who takes a poop at a movie? Had to empty my bladder from those huge, overpriced drinks.

[f3lix]

You've not heard of runpee.com?

[Mr. Blonde]

I would just like to say I feel very validated right now.

Honest Trailers - Prometheus - YouTube

Honest Trailers - Prometheus - YouTube

[Repugnant Abomination]

Don't.