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[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Mr. Blonde:
Japanesse: A new Shampoo from our lovable friends in the East

That was really funny. Props.

[ProfessorNumber]

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Mustang - certainly bang for the buck (if you want a "muscle car" that every other motherfucker has, and if going straight (always) is your priority rather than somewhat decent handling.)

Corvette - Classic American Sweetness, not a good car for the price, but powerful and prestegious nevertheless

GTO - Used to be cool as fuck. Please don't tarnish the reputation of this car by bringing it back.

As for me, I'd almost always take an import over american cars (they aren't always as fast, but they sure handle better, and are sweeter cars all around in my oppinion)
Corvette vs. RX-7 and Supra (even used here people I know they dont have em anymore), there is no competition, the japanese just make better rides.

The Supra, RX-7(FD), and other such imports are all well and fine... If you like redlining your engine and getting your torque at a high RPM. Personally I'm a fan of cars that have all the torque on tap at a very low RPM.

As for handling, stock American cars are generally inferior to JDM cars. However, I'm suprised no one here has heard of the pro-touring movement. It's essentially where old American cars are given wide tires and stiff suspensions. They turn well, AND sound mean as hell. Not to mention, a stock corvette Z06 will fucking crush a stock RX-7 or Supra, in any type of race (touge or drag). With 2k in the suspension (springs, struts, etc..) you can have a corvette that will out turn most JDM cars. With that in mind, I don't really think stock handling is entirely that crucial. So long as chassis flex is minimized, almost any American car can be modified to turn as well as their Asian counterparts.

Another big piss off about JDM cars, is that all of the manufacturers over in the east agreed to keep horsepower levels below 280. Which, if I may say so, is ridiculous. It might prevent a hp war, such as the one occuring in Germany right now, but conversely it also creates stagnation. The last powerful car to come out of Japan was the TT Supra, which is now quite possibly the most over-rated and over-priced used car on the market.

Alright, I'm done rambling for now.

Ok, and after you stick your 2k in your Vet, I'll stick 2k in my RX-7, then we'll see who has a chance.

[I_Touch_MySelf]

Hondas are primarily known for their peak horsepower and torque at high rpms. But name one american car that has an 8800 rpm redline stock. Can you also name an american car that puts out 120hp per liter stock. No you cant, honda is the only to do so. And if you want to get Rotary Power on your ass the RX8 puts out 250hp n/a in a 1.3 liter engine. As for handling you could spend 2k on a Z06 and out handle a stock Jap car but put 2k in suspension on an AE86 or an RX7 and the Z06 wouldnt have a chance. Traditionally Japan does not wage a horsepower war but a power to weight to ratio battle unlike 3-4000 lb american performance cars. And as for the 280hp rule if you knew anything about japanese cars you would know that the when the Nissan Skyline is dynoed stock it has more then 300hp. I will however agree that the TT Supra is very over priced.

[Niger Angelus]

I don't believe I will ever buy a shitty, 'Fast and the Furious', Jap-Mobile. Why? I don't feel like dumping over 18K just to get and engine worth racing.

As far as American handling, I would have to agree with The Professor, take the Z06 and work the springs and suspension, along with massive HP, those cars in a box are in deep shit.

And lastly, the look of the cars, they aren't sexy at all. The kits and et cetera one can add are just hideous. Uhg!!!

[ February 05, 2004, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: Niger Angelus ]

[I_Touch_MySelf]

Whoa noone was talking about adding a body kit to their cars.....and if we were body kits for american cars look much much worse.....I dont know what morons you know that are putting 18k into their "jap-mobile" just to make it worth racing.....you can spend 1g on a civic hatch back, do a motor swap, cai, and exhaust...and you will beat C5's left and right..and dont argue cause ive seen it done......I dont know if you keep up on your cars or not, but how can you say that the new Subaru WRX STi isnt sexy...not only is it sexy but it will beat your gto in the 0-60...1/4mile...skidpad...and 60-0...and thats coming from a 4 cylinder "jap-mobile"

[ProfessorNumber]

Originally posted by I_Touch_MySelf:
Hondas are primarily known for their peak horsepower and torque at high rpms. But name one american car that has an 8800 rpm redline stock. Can you also name an american car that puts out 120hp per liter stock. No you cant, honda is the only to do so. And if you want to get Rotary Power on your ass the RX8 puts out 250hp n/a in a 1.3 liter engine. As for handling you could spend 2k on a Z06 and out handle a stock Jap car but put 2k in suspension on an AE86 or an RX7 and the Z06 wouldnt have a chance. Traditionally Japan does not wage a horsepower war but a power to weight to ratio battle unlike 3-4000 lb american performance cars. And as for the 280hp rule if you knew anything about japanese cars you would know that the when the Nissan Skyline is dynoed stock it has more then 300hp. I will however agree that the TT Supra is very over priced.

The sound that a Honda makes redlining is akin to a screaming child. If you like the pussy sound of a high revving engine then go and buy your faggot Honda. Second, what you don't realize is that there is only so much you can do to your suspension, aside from dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into a custom chassis.

Next, the RX-7 cannot climb hills in any way, shape, or form. It's torque is only available at very high rpms, and even then, it only has around 150 ft. lbs(?). It is not that fast off the line, and its engine is prone to very HIGH maintenance.

The Supra is extremely expensive to buy, but not only that, it is also quite heavy and quasi-lethargic. In my opinion, it is the Jap equivalent of the Camaro. Would I love to have one? Abso-fucking-lutely. However, If I were going to spend 45k on a sports car I would much prefer a 1-2 year old Z06, and then dump about 2k into the suspension. Also, the C6 generation of Z06s will be coming out soon. They will have 500hp, and will smoke any stock dirty jap car that dares drag race them.

As for the Skyline (GT-R), it is an exceptional car. It is quite possibly the best JDM car EVER. Its ATESSA ETS Pro AWD system is easily the best AWD in the entire world. It is so advanced, that it can actually launch in AWD and then switch to RWD, giving it a large edge in drag racing. However, the Skyline is nothing more than a ricer's wet dream. The cost of a barely used R-34 GT-R is around 40-100k American, plus the cost of shipping and conversions. And, that is only the stock model. You would have to sink quite a few more greenbacks into it in order to have a damn fast car. If I were a multi-millionaire, I would definitely own a GT-R. But, there is an alternative: the Nissan S-14 240sx. You can drop an RB26DET (the GT-R engine) into it for around 10k. The car itself is relatively cheap, and it looks somewhat like a skyline. So for around 20k you can have a car with excellent performance that will easily run 11's on the quarter, and out drift any car on the track.

Anyway, American cars use large displacement as a means to gain greater power, but I see nothing wrong with this. There is no better car sound than a 396 small block with cowboy pipes.

[ProfessorNumber]

($7000)

+


($5500 + shop work)

= about $15000. And that setup will burn almost any camaro or mustang on the road. The best part is that you can brag that you have a Skyline GT-R engine under the hood.

For the record, the S14 240sx and the GT-R are the only JDM cars I like. The rest (Hondas, toyotas, etc..) can burn in hell.

[ February 05, 2004, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: ProfessorNumber ]

[I_Touch_MySelf]

As always American cars vs Japanese cars arguements never go anywhere and noone ever wins. FYI you can get a Skyling R34 GT-R completely legal for 90k..lol....I will not knock the Z06 because i have driven one and the car is badass. I would also never buy a supra but would love to have one. I would never however diss the Rx7 or doubt its performance in any way. The one car we are all forgetting is the Dodge Neon SRT-4 which is by far the best bang for the buck right now and it is an american car. Noone has yet to mention anything about European cars. Maybe that cause we all know they are the best cars...I would take a TT Porsche over a TT Supra or Z06 anyday. one last thing....How can you not love the sound of a Vtech engine? That is the closest sound to a race car or bike you will get on the street.