GSA

[Ugly Bastard]

Freak of the Forest does not go to Warsaw, he graduated with me last year. And no, he is not gay, he is just extremely liberal, so he sticks up for queers.

He's a cool guy in real life, trust me on that one. So don't bust his balls too bad.

-Ugly Bastard

Ahh thats the problem right there. Liberals, half the reason we have this GSA probably.

[Jake]

All of you dont even know what you are talking about. I happen to be in the GSA. I dont care what your personal beliefs are, thats your own business, but atleast get the facts straight. The reason all the shit is happening to all the other clubs is because the superintendant of Warsaw Schools tried to ban us from meeting, so I called the Aclu and threatened to sue the school, because anyone for any reason is allowed to use the school to met under the Federal Equal access act.Even if you guys wanted your man club or whatever. Anyways after hearing that, the school decided to let us meet but they didnt want us to get school funding or be allowed on the announcements etc., but if they were goin to do that to us then they had to do it to all other clubs also, or else again i could take them to court. Second the lanyard thing is our way of being low key about the whole issue. We dont want to be all in everyones face.. The lanyards are so if anyone has questions about the club, then they will know where to go to ask questions, remember that the school wont allow us to advertise on the announcements, so this is our silent advertisement, plus not everyone in the club wear these. Only the ones that are comfortable enough about themselves. Finally, we havent been tryin to make this a big deal. We have tried to keep it down but the school has given us a bunch of crap so we are just pushing back, and we will win.

[Jake]

I also think its pretty shity that you assume that gays are just gay because they are suicidal and have perverted themselves to members of the same sex. You people are the reason the gay kids are suicidal and depressed. You make them feel worthless, and worth nothing. Suicide, depression, and drug rates are drastically higher among gays not because of their lifestyle, but because of the way society treats them. Again it would be nice if you guys atleast gave the other side a chance before goin crazy about all this and threatening the gsa kids. Buckeye, i used to think better of you...I used to consider you a friend. I realize how shallow and shity you have become.. No wonder you cant get a girlfriend!

[The Comedian]

Yeah, but at least buckeye wants to get a girlfriend. Queer.

[Nutcracker19]

I personally have to agree... Some people in this world should learn to be respectful to others and their beliefs instead of going around an saying things like the things that are put on here. who are you guys to judge people by what they believe in... Many believe that god did not make them the way you are He is the one that created man... not you... If it is so wrong for a man or woman to be gay then why did god create man... i admit that god may not like what thye do but he still loves them in the same way the he loves any one of you. God made them that way for a reason. many of you are all blaming men when it is not just men who are gay women can be gay... but some of you get a sexual high out of hearing about two girls getting it on... i can see your view on how you say it is wrong for two guys to go at it but you do not have to be such ass holes about it all... and some of you all assume that it is only guys who are on this website and many of you think that I am a gay guy when in fact. I am a woman. You all are so dumb... you all have your mind on one track... you all amaze me that you can be such idiots and only care about the way you feel... The club is called gay STRAIGHT alliance... not the gay club.... you all are just so disgusting.... i am amazed at how cruel you can all be.

[slooshbag]

hey buckeye is cool...haha..but jake come one look at it from our view... We are all men..and when we think of u man..we picture u liking dicks..i mean seriously i dont know how u can feel this way unless something has happened to gay people..i know this is coming across bad but how cause u want to fool around with another guy..my gf doesn't even like fooling around with guys..
sloosh

[OneHugeBastard]

thank you reverend... who the fuck do you think you are...

[St. Anky]

I think Warsaw is a town full of fucking women who cant stop bitching about something. For christ's sake, as long as your ass is devoid of a dick, be happy and dont worry about it.

And with anyone here who's gonna have any bible verses and shit, listen up:

1)God allowed for people to be born gay. Therefore, god made gay people. It is referenced in the bible that god made gay people. The idea is that being gay is like someone born without arms, or legs, or who is blind etc. Their homosexuality is a crutch and must live life devoid of homosexual acts.

2) If the idea of homosexuality is a sin and you are pointing blame at fags, then you have to look at yourselves as well. We all sin and so we have no right to judge one another on a moral basis. You cant sit there and say, "homosexuals deserve to die because god said its wrong", you'd just be a hypocrit.

3) There is nothing wrong with lesbians.... unless they are ugly...

[The Comedian]

You shall not lie with man as one lies with a women; this is an abomination.
Leviticus 18:22

If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13


Anky- I really don't think God liked homosexuality. What bible are you reading?

[Niger Angelus]

Good point comedian. Born gay, where did anyone get that idea. Rather sad to hear that as an excuse for someone else's sin (problems and downfalls), that problem can be dealt with and not accepted.

A somewhat intelligent debate about whether homosexuality of learned or inherent.

http://www.nubblies.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000006.html

[The Comedian]

Jake-

In the same way you want us to be more 'tolerant' of you. You need to be more 'tolerant' of us. It's not our fault we were naturally born to dismiss homosexuality. So stop being so God damned ignorant and accept us for who we are. We don't like you, and that is something you are going to run into your entire life if you are a homosexual.

-The Comedian

[Freak of the Forest]

no one HAS to accept anyone, you can respect the fact that we're all humans and in the same boat and if we all hate each other, we're fucked, but obviously some people don't care. both sides can bitch and moan about the other until they're hoarse, but everyone has the right to think a certain way, but not to assume everyone else should. what causes alot of problems in this debate is the fact that, for whatever reason, some people think that just because they live their life a particular way that everyone else should have to as well. the reason that the gay-haters are spending so much useless effort yelling at the gays is because they assume that they both believe in the same type of god. think about all the different denominations of churches in warsaw, even though they're all considered 'christians' they all have different definitions of God, even if they all read the same words from the bible. and then all those people within each church has their own special specific definition of God. alot of the gay-haters seem to be assuming that everyone else in the world believes in God, their God, or any god at all, obviously if someone doesn't have that belief then they are not going to see being gay or whatever else as being 'wrong', some people are actually half-way intelligent though, and define what is good or bad partially by what does or does not hurt people, obviously not alot of people on this message board. It's quite possible that if God exists, he's not down with homosexuality, but he's probably not down with hate either.

[Freak of the Forest]

now if you'll excuse me i'm going to spend some time being angry at either a.) the gay population in general or b.) the person who decided that the rainbow was going to be the gay symbol. that pisses me off more than anything. as an artist, i rely on colour, period. anytime i would ever want to do something that involved all the colours, it could very easily be seen as a gay beacon (especially in warsaw). that has pissed me off for so long, whatever gay person decided that is an unoriginal, uncreative bastard and they should use their brain next time they want to make a logo for someone.

[buckeye]

Jake now as shallow as i may seem i have reasons behind my dislike of clubs like the gsa.

As anky has explained to me gay people are born that way, and its is something they have to live with according to god. Now what pisses me off is not how you guys are gay. If your going to be gay, go ahead whatever just as long ast i dont have to hear about it. What pisses me off though is when groups organizations such as the gsa use the threat of law suits etc. to be used against the fundamental principles that our nation was founded on. Our nation was founded on the belief of a god, however it was not backed up in the constitution, which i think is the biggest mistake in creating it. It provided no means of an ethical code to which people would follow. Our founding fathers believe that ethics would be something that wouldnt change over time however they where wrong. As a result murder rates, swearing, trashy clothing, homosexuality, you name it is more acceptable in our society. If you take switzerland and japan you'll find that their societys have the lowest murder rates, and are ethically are far superior to ours. Hell japanese pornos can only show boobs. Anyways what keeps things in those countries like this is they have a moral/ethical, or reglios code, of positive behaviors. Japan has a "honor system" that is been preached since the middle ages, but now with no backing its following apart much like it has in america. Switzerland on the other hand did not seperate church and state, and as a result postive ethical values are practiced throughout their country and will be followed for years to come.


By the gsa threating to sue the school, etc and the allowance of a club at school it only goes to show people that being gay is okay. Think of it as a commercial, a commercial promotes a product. While things like gsa, gay day, parades and what not promote homosexuality. Homosexuality by no means is okay i dont care what you believe. Its not like men where created with both a pussy and a dick.

In conclusion if you want to be gay, fine go for it whatever floats your boat. But by no means should you be promoting it. The gsa is a club that should be held outside of school, not in school.

-ryan munsch-

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Go Bucks!!

[buckeye]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nutcracker19:
I personally have to agree... Some people in this world should learn to be respectful to others and their beliefs instead of going around an saying things like the things that are put on here. who are you guys to judge people by what they believe in... Many believe that god did not make them the way you are He is the one that created man... not you... If it is so wrong for a man or woman to be gay then why did god create man... i admit that god may not like what thye do but he still loves them in the same way the he loves any one of you. God made them that way for a reason. many of you are all blaming men when it is not just men who are gay women can be gay... but some of you get a sexual high out of hearing about two girls getting it on... i can see your view on how you say it is wrong for two guys to go at it but you do not have to be such ass holes about it all... and some of you all assume that it is only guys who are on this website and many of you think that I am a gay guy when in fact. I am a woman. You all are so dumb... you all have your mind on one track... you all amaze me that you can be such idiots and only care about the way you feel... The club is called gay STRAIGHT alliance... not the gay club.... you all are just so disgusting.... i am amazed at how cruel you can all be.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

nutcracker you have 2 posts and the only idiot is you for thinking that we would care about what you feel. If you have a problem with how cruel this site may seem, its our opionions. If you dont like it then dont keep coming back to read them. My mind is defiently on one track thinking you shouldnt ever come back to this site again.

[Baby_boy]

Well put Buckeye

[Jake]

Buckeye first you must realize that our nation wasnt based on christianity. It was created during the age of enlightenment where most upper classes who were the most influential in politics were either atheist or diest. Even ben franklin was a diest.
Next the only reason i would sue the school would because they are denying us our rights. How would you like it if you govt. took your rights away and said you couldnt practice christianity. Im sure you would feel pretty shity. in the same way we feel shity about the school tryin to ban us, which is against the law, so we are only standing up for ourselves.
Third the only reason that they have gay pride parades and crap like that is to stand up for their right and show that its not all right to be intolerant of gays. It can be compared to the marches put on by african americans during the civil rights mvmt of the 60's.
Finally as far as switzerland goes... Ive been there and you havent. Europe is alot more liberal and unmoral the america will probably ever be! And europe and switzerland are alot less religios than america too. So dont give me the crap about them not seperating church and state when the majority of their people dont even attend church! Just because someone is not a christian doesnt mean they still, lie and cheat. Buckeye i know for sure that you have done way more unmoral things then i have!

[buckeye]

Yes our nation wasnt founded entirerly around christianity, but it was christianity's principles that where present in society that kept it eithical. Sure Ben Franklin didnt practice a christianity, but the society at the time followed christian values, and thus so did ben franklin. Now as the country grew more diverse it grew away from those values, and well look at the society we have today, i rest my case. We need some type of values whether it be reglious, or some type of "honor system" of the japanesee, i dont care regardless. Anyone is capable of lying cheating or stealing, without one in place. Hell i know i do, just take look in the swim team locker room i helped collect most of the items in there. Some people become mature enough to not do these other people simply can, that is where ethics of a society would be there to guide them.

[victim]

(I originally posted this is another GSA related thread, but I think that it needs to be read by most of Nubblie-dom)

...something I have learned by now, and I have seen proved time and time again is that the administration at WCHS does not support the best interests of the students, but would rather keep its image clean in the flawed eyes of the community than stand up for us.

For example, the only reason that we wear IDs around our necks right now is because a random poll of a few parents thought that it made their children dramatically safer. Everyone inside of the building, including our gutless administrators know that those pieces of plastic dangling around our necks do NOTHING to protect us. Dr. B herself believes that they just cause problems, because the IDs give the faculty just another reason to hassle students. The truth is, anyone with access to a computer and half of a brain could create a fake ID in less than a half hour that could only be discernable only on an upclose inspection. Someone with a bit more experience could make one with a fake name and legitimate barcode, and make using the cafeteria system or the "Media Center" a living hell *. Furthermore, in the case of an actual emergency, the IDs could do little to facilitate whatever must be done. If a student started shooting up the school, our IDs would do us little good, and it surely would not help identify the shooter. If the school was on fire or exploded, heaven forbid, the damn plastic would melt anyway, so corpse identification is not even viable.

This whole huge GSA thing is another prime of example of the administration faltering to community pressure rather than the best interests of the students. I don't think that there would be such conversation between students about the GSA if the school would have just left things the way they were last year. I never remember hearing heated discussions about what Ski Club was up to, or what was happening in GIST last year. The administration made this an issue. Having the ACLU and the GSA threaten the school with a lawsuit was inevitable, they had every right to do so**. The school's reaction then, and their continued actions are driven by the community, it is obvious that the thoughts and opinions of the students are not a high priority.

In conclusion, the school has not supported the students and their rights in the past, and will continue to do so into the future unless we defiantly act against them. Putting down the GSA didn't just hurt them, it didn't stop at the ski club, but the thing hurt EVERYONE. It's the administration's fault. Besides, succumbing to the overzealous demands of the community rather than listen to the students is damning. The fact of the matter is that WE, not THEM, hold the future of this community. If we're oppressed and treated like shit, every intelligent, talented youth that can will leave this community one day and never look back. By not listenting to us, the school and the leaders of this community are DAMNING its future.

*Just a side note on the Media Center that is germane to what I'm saying... the budget for new books in the Media Center this year was $0 dollars, thousands less than it was the year before, and the year before that it was twice as much. Many corners are being cut all over the place, teachers are being fired, and so on while the school corp still plans a 30 million dollar expansion project to build a football field and auditorium for future students, instead of buying books for current students...

**Another note, I am completely heterosexual, and I morally disagree with homosexuality. Note that I said homosexuality, not homosexuals. Hate the sin, not the sinner, folks. Many of these people did not choose to be gay, and would be heterosexual if they could. The Biblical references you folks make do not damn homosexuals, but damn homosexual acts. Not all the gay people out there are having gay sex. The last time I checked, these GSA meetings that you all revile aren't gay orgies. ALSO, the Bible states strongly, again and again that any sex before marriage, homo or hetero, and masturbation is WRONG, so by your own belief system most of you are just as damned to hell as the "faggots" you hate.

[This message has been edited by victim (edited November 18, 2002).]

[BrassMonkees]

wow amazing what i can miss in 24 hrs.

alright folks, here it goes. i encourage you all to read this in its entirety. i have a lot to say...to all of you.

lets start with the founders of our constitution..

Citing 27 biblical violations, they wrote the constitution, including liberty and justice for all. Patrick henry and thomas jefferson both said that america was founded on God. of the 55 members who signed the constitution, 52 of them were active members of their church. Noah webster, author the of webster's dictionary could literally quote the bible, scripture and verse. all of these men believed that you couldn't even call yourself an american if you subvert the word of God. George washington's farewell addresss stated that you can't have national morality apart from religious principal. if this doesn't explain where our country is coming from, then maybe you should re-read this section.

next topic - "homosexuality is something you are born with"
ans)False - "Gay Gene" reseracher, Dr Dean Hamer,a homosexual himself, was asked by scientific america if homosexuality was derived solely in biology. he replied, "Absolutely no. from twin studies we know half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited." He then goes on to say that that the most widely held opinion is that multiple factors play a role in determining whether one is ahomosexual. Scientific evidence links homosexuality to social and parental influences - including family patterns, same sex peer problems, childhood molestation, and peer labeling. another source states that homosexuality is not simply genetics, therefore it is subject to modification through counseling and psycohterapy. one, now heterosexual wrote, "A lot of ppl think they are okay eing gay. but i never had a peace of mind until i started to change" so jake and whoever else has read my things, that is where i am getting just a few of my facts from. so to call me a liar and fool for thinking that some of your members' homosexuality comes from getting little to no attention and abuse from family, well at least you know that it is a very supported opinion from both homos and heteros.

as for ppl threating homosexuals and damning them to hell, you all are messed up. name calling, threats, and damnation get us nowhere but further apart. they will certaintly not go to hell just for their sexual orientation. hell is for the unbeliever. i do hope that all of you understand that part. it is not a belief in God alone, but in Jesus Christ. many religions have a god, but they are not the same god. as for the people quoting scripture, be awefully careful to not just take it for face value. many of you probably just looked up homosexuality in the back of your bible, and i commend you for doing it though. it is good that you turn to God over this subject, or any other for that matter. but read before that one verse, and read after it. think about it more.

as for people who masturbate go to hell, i don't know where you found that one at. i don't recal any of the scriptures condeming that to hell, im not saying it is a good practice, just i don't know the scripture for that one.

alright this is all for now. i don't think i said everything, so i will add another post later.


yours truly

BrassMonkee

I guess it says somewhere a man spilled his own lust or something to that effect, and he was struck dead afterwards.

[The Comedian]

Genisis 38 houses the verse you speak of.



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[victim]

I think you are talking about the story of Onan there, and if I remember right, he "pulled out".