Economy says "Fuck you"

[Pliedes]

Everyone has been picking on the poor ol' economy. Well, today it gave a resounding middle finger to the world.

Today the Dow closed at 10008.16. Isn't that something.

read friend, read

[theantibush]

granted, the stock markets do make up a portion of the economy, i dont see how that changes a 500 billion and rising deficit (and thats just the U.S.). yeah, a few lucky investors now have a nice sized bank account, but that still doesnt save the economy. you did have one thing right though, the economy sure is poor.

[Mister Bater]

The deficit doesn't matter if GDP growth is outpacing it. Hmm...what very high percentage of GDP growth did we have last quarter?

[Ugly Bastard]

antibush-

I realize you're just one of those INGSOC assholes trying to start a revolution or whatever...yada-yada-yada...booooring.

But a brief serious reply to your message: The stock market is an indicator of how our entire economy is doing. You're right, it is a relatively small portion of our economy, but you could consider it a themometer of our economy. So no, not a few 'lucky' investors made money, the entire country is starting to come back around (provided this isn't a fluke raise in the stock market).

-Ugly Bastard

[theantibush]

7.2% - you know why? just after 9/11 the GDP growth dropped and has been recovering since. now its back up, but this is all because of bills that the Dubya passed into law, which only the american business elite get into enjoy.

the regular working men and women benefit from this in only one way: he or she has a BETTER chance at getting a job. well, there are two and a half million people who are unemployed, and those are just the people who are registered. thats thirteen and three quarter billion dollars to pay them all for one hour of work.

according to national census, 90% of the workforce have a high school education or higher. out of that 90% only 32% have a college education.
now, lets take that percent (roughly 720,000 workers) take away 30%, 'cuz only about 70% of workers with college educations get hired annually. Now, that means you must beat the first 504,000 people that have degrees that you are competing with for that job. now let's take this even further.

don't forget about ex-convicts (all 3 million of them), plus the 4.5 million currently on probation or parole, excluding the 2.2 million behind bars as of December 02, 2003, and you have 9.7 million people last in line to get a job. suddenly things don't look so bright.

here, i'd go into war costs, and other tabs the Dubya is racking up, but i wont to save myself the hassle of people trying to blur lines.

the financial elite do not represent me or the main body of americans. a few may profit, but the economy, in the end, doesn't.

7.2% or not, U.S. economy fails.

[theantibush]

if i was the economy, i'd say fuck you too. why? cuz i'd be one pissed off economy.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally posted by theantibush:
U.S. economy fails.

I want you to know that I laughed audibly upon reading that.

Not to divert the course a little bit here, but did anyone see the South Park last Wednesday where the goth kids sat around bitching about life? That's what this sorta reminds me of...

-Ugly Bastard

[Saint DH]

I have a shampoo recomendation for our good friend theantibush:



It might help out.

I ripped this off of maddox.xmission.com by the way

[ December 12, 2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

[Pliedes]

Now let's have some fun.

Originally posted by theantibush:
7.2% - you know why? just after 9/11 the GDP growth dropped and has been recovering since. now its back up, but this is all because of bills that the Dubya passed into law, which only the american business elite get into enjoy.

You dumb sonofabitch. What kind of economy do we have? I'll give you a hit, it starts with Capital- and ends with -ism.
If you'll notice, a capitalist economy is one in which production, distribution, and business are controlled privately (ie - not the government). So tell me, why do you think a President has so much control of the economy? You might be confusing our economic system with a one you probably advocate.

Originally posted by theantibush:

the regular working men and women benefit from this in only one way: he or she has a BETTER chance at getting a job. well, there are two and a half million people who are unemployed, and those are just the people who are registered. thats thirteen and three quarter billion dollars to pay them all for one hour of work.

Since you're so smart, you obviously know that actual job creation is the last part of the economic cycle, right?

Originally posted by theantibush:

according to national census, 90% of the workforce have a high school education or higher. out of that 90% only 32% have a college education.
now, lets take that percent (roughly 720,000 workers) take away 30%, 'cuz only about 70% of workers with college educations get hired annually. Now, that means you must beat the first 504,000 people that have degrees that you are competing with for that job. now let's take this even further.

don't forget about ex-convicts (all 3 million of them), plus the 4.5 million currently on probation or parole, excluding the 2.2 million behind bars as of December 02, 2003, and you have 9.7 million people last in line to get a job. suddenly things don't look so bright.

Blah blah blah. Quoting statistics doesn't make you sound smart at all. Especially since they aren't pertinent to the topic at hand. Something else though, I work in a bloody factory where the people who get hired don't have high school degrees, much less college degrees, did you take that into consideration when doing your math?

Originally posted by theantibush:
here, i'd go into war costs, and other tabs the Dubya is racking up, but i wont to save myself the hassle of people trying to blur lines.

I agree that he's spending too much, its just too remincient of the left.

Originally posted by theantibush:

the financial elite do not represent me or the main body of americans. a few may profit, but the economy, in the end, doesn't.

What do the financial elite own? Businesses. How do businesses run? Normal people. The two go hand in hand. The economy succeeding is the number one concern of the "finacial elite". This last quote of yours is such an empty phrase. You're not really saying anything, just making some lower class appeal to emotion.

Originally posted by theantibush:
7.2% or not, U.S. economy fails.

Like UB said, you make me laugh. The greatest economic machine ever, and you outright say it "fails".

[fancymeghan]

defended nicely.

i know this isn't the right thread, but i give pliedes a 9.8/10 (that would be 98%) for that lovely display.

..thats crazy talking since i'm a slightly liberal hippie.

[Pliedes]

Meh, it wasn't that great of a respose. Thank you though.

I just find it odd how we have the model capitalist economy, but everyone blames the current President when something is awry.

Speaking of odd, how about Ms.Fancy having 142 posts, but still no avatar...

[Saint DH]

...and no custom title

[Percipere'Chan]

Ooo! A slightly liberal hippie!
*winks at fancymeghan
Heya, ah... howsitgoin'?

[ December 12, 2003, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Percipere'Chan ]

[theantibush]

now now. i wasn't blaming the president or the government. businesses may drive the economy, but after a while, all we have left is a privatized industry ran by a few people. in the land of "equal opportunity", this is against everything we are supposed to stand for. exploiting the worker and labor for profit. such a wonderful business.

look at clear channel. find out about how the FCC will be selling the radio frequencies to the bastards. and you wonder why the radio sucks. what you call smart business i call treason. but thats just my opinion.

those statistics have everything to do with the economy. even if the workforce is last in the equation, it is the central point of the theory. it exists and functions only as long as the workers work. whatever happened to landlords and laborers working along side each other.

[theantibush]

either way, you won't listen. we look at the world in two very different aspects. thanx for the effort.

[victim]

Originally posted by theantibush:
either way, you won't listen. we look at the world in two very different aspects. thanx for the effort.

What kind of political relativism bullshit pussy-ism was that supposed to be? If you can't even put up a halfway decent defense of your ungrounded opinions, why even have them? Speaking of which, what exactly has your argument been throughout this thread? I can't follow it. All I see from you is a mangled array of worthless statistics slopily followed by illogical math conjectures buried beneath a rotting pile of regurgitated rhetoric. It's not even worth going beyond the points made by Pliedes (even though he left a few things out and I'm not exactly in concordance with him on all points made...) until you clarify exactly what it is you're trying to say. I don't think you're actually capable of doing so in a factual, logical manner.

On another note, why do you feel it necessary to create a new ID every time you get on Nubblies to share your egregious political nonsense and/or make cowardly, empty threats towards the Butcher?

[Percipere'Chan]

Yeah, what victim said.

Originally posted by: theantibush
[gb]...you won't listen.[/gb]

="I Forfeit. I’m a dumbass. You Win."

If you have something to say, say it motherfucker. Put it out there and you just might learn a thing or two.
Haven't read much of this [edit]thread[/edit] but, I’m glad to see someone is putting some time and energy into their arguments, good job Pli.

Originally posted by victim:
...All I see from you is a mangled array of worthless statistics sloppily followed by illogical math conjectures buried beneath a rotting pile of regurgitated rhetoric.

FucK.
[note to self: read more of victim’s posts. maybe I’ll learn a thing or two.]

Originally posted by victim:
...I don't think you're actually capable of [puttng together] a factual, logical [argument].

Normally, this is the part where I interject and say something goading about there being a challenge in the statement and that only a true worthless twit would let that kind of shit stand.
Don’t bother. Sorry Pli. Just wouldn’t be interesting. A good argument’s gotta go both ways.

Originally posted by victim:
...why do you feel it necessary to create a new ID every time you get on Nubblies…

If victim is right about this… If you’re too scared to ‘get your feelings hurt’ by getting criticized for your stance on something, and dodge it by taking on new memberships… Well, I haven’t been around that long, so I’ll just say I don’t think your presence is welcome. (that’s below pathetic).

Back to the argument at hand… I don’t think I can really get into this discussion. (don't believe in economics as such). But I am willing to say that, while economics (as a social science) requires a firm support from an underlying hard science model to be pragmatic, this support is so near nonexistent that economics as a whole is at best entertaining (I’m serious, I enjoy the discussion [no sarcasm]) but at worst, pointless.

Just my two cents.

If anyone is out there thinking ‘this guy is just spouting [some sort of drivel that victim could come up with a good description of], maybe you’re right. I could be pulling this shit straight out of my ass. Either way, if you’re like theantibush here (probably a statement on his sexual orientation [I say that only for and on the chance that he might be offended by it]), you’ll never know. DAMN, what a fucking loser. [-In regard to taking on new identities]

[ December 13, 2003, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Percipere'Chan ]

[Pliedes]

Victim, you're right. I left much out, and was being overly general, but I thought it was necessary in order for our closeted friend to understand... and he didn't anyway.

[Fruitacious B]

Okay, I am a relative dumbass when it comes to such advanced economical discussions, but I do have one point/question. Could it be that the recent "Fuck You" from the economy could have to do with the fact that Christmas was only 14 days away from the day that the Dow hit 10008.16?

[Pliedes]

Could the Christmas season give it a little boost? Sure. But the Christmas season didn't drag the economy up from 7000 after a terrorist attack on mainland America.

[Fruitacious B]

Over two years ago.