Farenheit 9/11

[St. Anky]

So here's the scoop.

The director of the Academy Award winning documentary on American culture, Bowling for Columbine is premiering his highly controversial film Farenheit 9/11 this Friday (6/24).

Its theme is showing in progression what the Bush administration has done from 9/11 to the present in regards to foreign policy and especially the well known War on Terrorism.
Republicans are thumbs downing this movie mainly because they claim it is illegal publicity against the Bush administration After June 31st, which is not allowed at that time before the election.
Democrats are saying, it is something that needs to be heard and that the Bush administration is just trying to cover its ass.

After seeing Bowling for Columbine, a definite must see, I for one am going to see this movie Friday night. For those of you who like to be entertained and involved, get out to see this. Mike Moor is a pimp director and can make a movie entertaining for everyone. Even if you love Bush, I'm sure you'll be entertained. And if you're not one for politics, check it out anyway, its important to know whats goin on in the country. [img]graemlins/ninja.gif[/img]

[ June 25, 2004, 02:01 AM: Message edited by: St. Anky ]

[Saint DH]

It's important to know what's going on in your country so watch the news. No reason to make that fat gay fuck Moore any more sucess.

[underwater]

if it makes fun of any kind of political bullshit in any way, shape, or form... i'm there.

[St. Anky]

Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
It's important to know what's going on in your country so watch the news. No reason to make that fat gay fuck Moore any more sucess.

Mike Moore is the shit. Have you seen Bowling for Columbine?

[Niger Angelus]

I will be downloading it. I am not going to shell out $7 for a documentary on how Bush is an idiot. I have the news for that as Dirty pointed out.

[Ice3]

i for one have seen bowling for columbine and analyzed the movie with several people. i believe he made several amazing points in the documentary. (one of them interviewing marilyn manson; allowing him to speak of american "fear" and the link to consumption.) however, overall i found the movie to be very biased. no, i'm not some conservative republican from warsaw, like the rest of the little town. however when a documentary is done, ALL biases need to be COMPLETELY left out, and the audience is to come up with the conclusion. michael moore is certainly liberal in all senses of the word, and he uses HIS stance on politics in his documentaries. all in all, if F-9/11 is anything like Bowling for Columbine, i must say i will be saddened.

[St. Anky]

Originally posted by Ice3:
however, overall i found the movie to be very biased.

It was supposed to be. When bringing to light something controversial, sometimes one needs to be biased. I'm sure someone who didn't like both of these movies could have made some kind of rebuttal. So far however, no one has stepped up to the plate. Moore has said that anyone who wants to contest the movie can rightly do so and that he is ready for it.

[BarryJive]

uhhh...i don't know if you guys knew this...but ummm... all documetaries have a bias, or at least a distinct point of view (which is what moore's movies have) the minute you decide to choose through editing what people see, ya got the directors point of view. Yeah, maybe moore's point of view is a bit more obvious than, say, a doc on african wildlife, but what moore is providing us with is an alternative to the flag waving "if you dont agree, youre a traitor" bullshit that the mainstream news media (yes, it is biased) has been giving us. Also, think about this, would a movie studio (who invests millions of dollars in a movie like this) ever even consider releasing a movie full of lies and slander, nope. not in a million years. This would leave miramax open to millions and millions of dollars worth of slander lawsuits and economically it would not make any sense at all. While im not saying that this movie is unbiased or anything, it, at least, has got to be based on fact. So for all you naysayers out there, go inform yourselves with an opinion, that may not agree with your own, hear both sides of the story then make up your mind.

[ June 27, 2004, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: BarryJive ]

[buckeye]

as dirty and niger said. If you watch the news, and enough sources of it, along with the various guest speakers and talk shows they have you can formulate your own intelligent opinion without the help of some fuck like michael moore. He is doing just the same as the people "patriotic bullshit people," just now from the other view, "everything bush has done with anything is a lie and is bad." Quite frankly, im tried of both sides of the argument, because conflicting views on presidential policies has been going on long before my time, and its all the same rhetoric bullshit blown out of proportion.

Im sure ill go and download the movie, just to see his views, and ponder the entire situation a little bit more. However if you're a dumbass that goes to this movie, and completly has his vote changed because of it, i pity you.

[St. Anky]

Originally posted by BarryJive:
Also, think about this, would a movie studio (who invests millions of dollars in a movie like this) ever even consider releasing a movie full of lies and slander, nope. not in a million years. This would leave miramax open to millions and millions of dollars worth of slander lawsuits and economically it would not make any sense at all.

good point Barry. Which makes me kind of smile when I hear all these conservative Bush bumfucking assholes say that the movie is all lies. I mean, thats all they say, "its all lies"; without one good rebuttal or example. Its like they've been told to say that.

[BarryJive]

...it is kind of hard to argue with cold, hard, irrefutable fact.

[Saint DH]

I haven't seen this movie, nor do I plan on it. I also don't really have anything to add to this discussion. I'd just like to say that I think BarryJive and Stanky are sleeping together.

[St. Anky]

you're just jealous

[silver and cold]

I really want to see it. I saw most of Bowling for Columbine. It was good, and Moore made alot of good points. I hope he does the same with this.

[ninjaface]

I had the pleasure of seeing this "documentary" the other day. Just like a few of you, I had no drive to see this movie a few weeks ago. But the more my friends talked about it, the more interested I became. I hadn't seen Bowling for Columbine, so I didn't know what to expect. But this movie is pretty entertaining. This movie brings to light some things that you won't hear about or see on the news. Some of it is somewhat troubling. I suggest everyone see this documentary. Whether you like Michael Moore or not, it is always good to hear another side of the story. I'f you're not willing to listen to the other side of things, you're just being an asshole.

[ProfessorNumber]

Originally posted by ninjaface:
I had the pleasure of seeing this "documentary" the other day. Just like a few of you, I had no drive to see this movie a few weeks ago. But the more my friends talked about it, the more interested I became. I hadn't seen Bowling for Columbine, so I didn't know what to expect. But this movie is pretty entertaining. This movie brings to light some things that you won't hear about or see on the news. Some of it is somewhat troubling. I suggest everyone see this documentary. Whether you like Michael Moore or not, it is always good to hear another side of the story. I'f you're not willing to listen to the other side of things, you're just being an asshole.

How ironic... Telling people to watch a movie that blatantly violates that last statement there. Damn you half japanese commys...

[St. Anky]

I think he was talking about the things that go on "behind the scenes" that we don't get to see on the news. Faggot.

[yardobeef]

i have the utmost respect for michael moore, he doesnt make hollywood garbage. the things depicted in bowling for columbine and farenheit 911 are completely factual or captured on video. and they cannot be disputed. other people say in his defense "but that movie just shows all the bad things he did, and none of the good."

im sorry but no amount of "good" bush did can even out exploiting our country for money, and being completely idle and ignorant concerning our nation's defence. SOMEONE, PLEASE GOD, ANYONE AND EVERYONE GET THAT RETARDED STRING PUPPET AND HIS BLOOD SUCKING CROANIES OUT OF OFFICE, OR THE FUCK UPS ARE ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE!

[ July 02, 2004, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: yardobeef ]

[the Butcher]

While I haven't seen this new movie, I have seen Bowling for Columbine. It was...entertaining, but that was about it. I didn't get much out of it, except for the already-mentioned Marilyn Manson interview. I believe what Michael Moore is doing is respectable, however, I also believe that it's quite ridiculous.

I used to view myself as a conservative, but that was mainly just because my parents forced it down my throat. As I grew up, I started to and still do daily, choose how to view issues on my own. I lean both ways in terms of conservative and liberal, so I don't really have an affiliation. What does all this have to do with anything, you ask? I'm just letting you in on my views so that what I'm about to say doesn't sound biased.

All of this anti-George Bush buzz that has recently been ignited in a good deal of the nation is utter bull-shit. I'm not for GWB, however, I'm not against him because of shit he's done. What it comes down to, is that, no matter who the president is, people will always find shit about him to mock or ridicule. Now that Clinton is out of office, everyone talks about how great he was. However, nobody seems to remember all of the shit that was blown towards him because of his fuckups. Everyone is looking to find a new scapegoat, and GWB is it.

In closing...is he a good president? Eh, maybe. Is he a bad president? Good chance. If Gore would have been elected, would all of this shit probably have been said about him? Most definitely. Quit your bitching and live with the fact that you may not agree with the president, but he's still the leader of the country and he's still more powerful than you'll ever be.

Bitches.

[farawayfromhere]

hahaha. well put butcher.

I havn't read this thread up to this point... I just wanted to point out that Michael Moore (AKA dumb fat bitch) is a whiney piece of shit, and Bowling For Columbine sucked so bad I didn't know whether to cry or laugh. Nobody thinks you are cool for making ill made points.

I plan to see this new film, but only for a good laugh. As one one news reporter put it ( I don't remember who, and it wasn't on Fox News anyway,) "to expect fairness from Farenheit 9/11 is like expecting healthy food from a fast food drive through"

[yardobeef]

Originally posted by the Butcher:


All of this anti-George Bush buzz that has recently been ignited in a good deal of the nation is utter bull-shit. I'm not for GWB, however, I'm not against him because of shit he's done. What it comes down to, is that, no matter who the president is, people will always find shit about him to mock or ridicule. Now that Clinton is out of office, everyone talks about how great he was. However, nobody seems to remember all of the shit that was blown towards him because of his fuckups. Everyone is looking to find a new scapegoat, and GWB is it.

In closing...is he a good president? Eh, maybe. Is he a bad president? Good chance. If Gore would have been elected, would all of this shit probably have been said about him? Most definitely. Quit your bitching and live with the fact that you may not agree with the president, but he's still the leader of the country and he's still more powerful than you'll ever be.

Bitches.

granted the president is always a target of controversy and endless mocking by the media, there still is one enormous difference. i would say that bush and clinton have equally done their share of "bad" things while in office; however, clinton's fuckups concerned his personal life while bush's fuckups werent fuckups at all, he was fucking us, and he will continue to do so. huge difference.

How... exactly has Bush fucked up?

You get pissed about 9/11 cus we didn't do enough.

You get pissed about Iraq cus we did too much.

Maybe it's just easier to get pissed than to take some things in stride. Personally I think Bush is doing a dandy job in office, nothing unlike what any other president would have done.

As far as the economy goes: well it's good, but don't blame that on the president, politics rarely affect the real world in terms of day to day economics.

[yardobeef]

Originally posted by DJ FC:
How... exactly has Bush fucked up?

You get pissed about 9/11 cus we didn't do enough.

You get pissed about Iraq cus we did too much.

Maybe it's just easier to get pissed than to take some things in stride. Personally I think Bush is doing a dandy job in office, nothing unlike what any other president would have done.

As far as the economy goes: well it's good, but don't blame that on the president, politics rarely affect the real world in terms of day to day economics.[/QB]

ok, listen up dick cheese, here are the facts
1. bush knew about al qaeda plans to attack the WTC months prior to 9/11, and took no action.

2. Bush claimed that Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction and had a hand in the 9/11 attacks, both of which are unproven, and thousands of iraq civilians and US troops are dead.

3. 15 of the 17 suicide terrorists in the attacks were members of the saudi al qaeda organization.

4. the bush's have had close business ties to the royal bin laden family, from whom they have recieved sums of over a billion dollars

oh who am i kidding, its pointless for me to write all this shit. at first I thought bush was just a dumbass, i thought "ok this isnt the first dumb ass president we've elected into office... whatever". then i THOUGHT he ignored intelligence records of the al qaeda plans that are funded and backed by the bin laden family, he didnt ignore it, he put it aside, because there is so much proof that they were giving that motherfucker money for his dried up oil business. and now i realize why we could never "find" bin laden's ass. whatever, you guys can defend the redneck bloodsucker all you want. the claim is that he purely exploited our country for money, sat on his ass for over half the time while in office and the only response on behalf of the republican party's defence????

theyre all lying....

would you narc on the guy who is giving you a shitload of money, probably not, but maybe if there were a politician in office who had some fucking integrity, a lot of shit wouldnt have happened but an honest politician is a fucking oxymoron in the first place. fuck this fucking government, i think im gonna move to canada.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by yardobeef:
fuck this fucking government, i think im gonna move to canada.

ha