Indiana to Defeat #1 Team in the Nation

DJ White is going to come back and everything is going to be just gravy...

[Cocktooth]

the fact of the matter is ISU double and triple teamed killingsworth all night...now after the Duke game IU are just trying to go to him and that is it...im not going to make excuses IU played awful...and Davis should find more weapons to go to...but ISU got alot of calls and shot pretty well.....that in no way should lead to them gettin beat by the Sycamores....now to say ball state is better is just play stupid...now Butler would be a battle cause they have Pete "Soup" Campbell......but IU will be alright...With DJ back they wont be able to double team either killingsworth or him....they will be fine!

[Beebs]

IU is gonna be a force, but this implication that White is some magical force, who is gonna dominate once he comes back, less than 100% mind you, is rediculous. And the most common phrase out of your mouth regarding IU basketball seems to be "Now I'm not gonna make excuses" which usually means "please listen to my excuses."

[Cocktooth]

its not about white...its about the Team WITH White...DJ can score 15 points a game....but with him in they cant double up killingsworth...lets look at the duke game....sheldon williams guards killingsworth and josh mcroberts would have guarded DJ white.....now call me crazy...but mcroberts got OWNED by killingsworth...in no way could he have guarded white...its not about him just coming in and getting stats...it opens up alot of things for the team....period!!

[Beebs]

Yes it does, but if you can't beat ISU without your best player, there are obviously deeper problems than not having your best player, who by the way you havent seen play this year.

IU might have beat Duke had Killingsworth played out of his mind again, and DJ contributed heavily, but Killingsworth isn't going to play like that against an elite post player like Williams most of the time, and Duke still wins that game a solid majority of the time. Plus having 2 men in the post isn't a 1+1 situation, one guy is gonna take away some of the others points.

[Cocktooth]

Listen...i dont know you...and im sure you dont know me....but i promise you i know 100% more basketball then you.....in a situation with DJ white and Killingsworth....it isnt just keep points equal...a good coach will find which player is up against a mismatch.....i will tell you right now...the number one team in the country has a freshman named mcroberts that cant guard in the post....with White and Killingsworth its impossible to not find a mismatch.....there isnt a team in the country that can match up to them inside.....no team has 2 guys that can guard the post against 2 very good offensive post players.....having said that...there isnt a team that can double down from the top cause IU can shoot the ball as well....but without white...they can double down and roatate over and force IU's worst shooter to shoot from the perimeter.....i promise you...with white in the lineup...they cant double down cause that will leave two shooters open which IU can find the better of the two and beat you.....remember the final four run...that is what happened....fife and coverdale could both shoot....teams doubled jefferies and either one of those guys could shoot....it was pick your poison.....thats what it will be like when White comes back...like i said before..IU should have never have lost last night....but dont try and tell me that when he comes back it wont be different....im a HUGE IU fan and for the last 3 years they have had nothing but either outside or inside game...this year they have both which posses a problem to anyone they play once they are full strength

[BigDongedHoe]

Thank you Shaw!

I'm not saying D.J. White is a magical force but flat out he is IU's best player by a longshot. Take Shelden Williams away from Duke, Eric Williams from Wake, Paul Davis from Michigan State, ect. ect. Tell me how good those teams are then?

The one thing I was concerned with when Marco came in was his passing ability in the post. Without good vision the White/Killingsworth Tandem might not work but Killingsworth is actually not only a decent passer but an above average one. DJ to is above average and like Shaw said teams will have to pick there poison in trying to man up and go one on with two All Big-Ten caliber big men or zone and test IU's shooters.

Not only offensively will IU be better but there defense will improve leaps and bounds. Like I said before IU 100 percent does not have any sort of shot blocking in the post. When one of the best shot blockers in the Big-Ten comes back that will create more defensive stops because teams will be more reluctlant to drive into the post.

That loss last night was embarassing, ugly, and unexcuseable to me. We were outhustled, outplayed, and outlucked all of which definitely showed. I think the team, Davis, and everyone else was running off of people telling them they were good after the Duke game and looking forward to the biggest rivalry game of the year for us on Saturday. Like Shaw said it was an uninspired preformance and I do believe nearly every call, looseball, and tipped shot went to ISU who was making this game there national title for the most part. It was more encouraging to me to see that IU lost because of the lackluster attitudes and effort rather than lack of talent which has been years past. Effort and attitude can be changed with discipline but talent is something you can't replace so we'll have to see what happens but I'm not as upset about the loss as what I previously felt.

DJ White will come back and make everything OK...

[Beebs]

Originally posted by Shaw:
Listen...i dont know you...and im sure you dont know me....but i promise you i know 100% more basketball then you.....in a situation with DJ white and Killingsworth....it isnt just keep points equal...a good coach will find which player is up against a mismatch.....i will tell you right now...the number one team in the country has a freshman named mcroberts that cant guard in the post....with White and Killingsworth its impossible to not find a mismatch.....there isnt a team in the country that can match up to them inside.....no team has 2 guys that can guard the post against 2 very good offensive post players.....having said that...there isnt a team that can double down from the top cause IU can shoot the ball as well....but without white...they can double down and roatate over and force IU's worst shooter to shoot from the perimeter.....i promise you...with white in the lineup...they cant double down cause that will leave two shooters open which IU can find the better of the two and beat you.....remember the final four run...that is what happened....fife and coverdale could both shoot....teams doubled jefferies and either one of those guys could shoot....it was pick your poison.....thats what it will be like when White comes back...like i said before..IU should have never have lost last night....but dont try and tell me that when he comes back it wont be different....im a HUGE IU fan and for the last 3 years they have had nothing but either outside or inside game...this year they have both which posses a problem to anyone they play once they are full strength

All you are is hypotheticals, excuses, and hopes.

Essentially what you are saying is that once White gets back, no team will be able to stop IU at all, how about we recheck this thread when he is back. You can theorize all you want, but your homerism is clearly skewing your reality.

And for fucks sake, "," is better than ".....", it was why they were invented.