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Mr. Blonde · 08-04-2009, 10:18 PM

We don't have a thread for this and I have a feeling its going to be pretty important in the next few years. Heres what the internet has to say:

YouTube - Keith Olbermann Special Comment On Health Care Reform

Repugnant Abomination · 08-04-2009, 10:33 PM

This ought to be good.

f3lix · 08-04-2009, 11:44 PM

I think Public Health Care is a nice idea, but it principally fails to fulfill the need for gov't and health care to combine to make prices affordable.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 12:10 AM

posted the above youtube vid on facebook and a shitstorm ensued:

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 12:16 AM

I just realized I wrote "there" instead of "their" - I am ashamed.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-05-2009, 12:34 AM

I just tried to give blonde +rep but it says i've given it to him too recently. WTF IS HAPPENING THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD

Ugly Bastard · 08-05-2009, 01:54 AM

Government ran health care is inefficient and enables its citizens to become spoiled and irresponsible for their own health. I think some type of catastrophe insurance offered to poor people is okay (sort of like how some government-funded public transportation can be okay), but beyond that, the government shouldn't have anything to do with health care.

Also, Blonde, Olberman is a joke and European health care sucks big time.

Repug is actually making some sense here: allowing the government to have their hand in health care is a recipe for corruption and inefficiencies.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

European health care sucks big time.

I really don't know all that much about it; ll of my friends who live in Europe have nothing but good things to say about it. Maybe FC or Dent can provide some more first hand experience, although I'm sure FC is covered by his company he might know more about it.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Because we all know the Government is small and efficient!

TwoBlackEyes · 08-05-2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Because we all know the Government is small and efficient!

Medicare runs at about 3% overhead.

Private insurance runs at about 9-17% overhead.

http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/re...nicalPaper.pdf

Every bit of overhead is money you pay and get no benefit for.

Personally I'd rather throw 3% down a hole than 9%. Maybe that's just me.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 01:56 AM

Why is it cool with you guys to have socialized education and socialized fire and police departments?

Ugly Bastard · 08-05-2009, 02:16 AM

It's about balance, Repug. Certainly some government-ran social systems are better than none. Anarchy doesn't work. But neither does full-on communism. The key is to find the right balance of governmental power and responsibilities. Right now I believe the government is larger than what is optimal and, unfortunately, only getting larger.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 02:25 AM

The thing is, I actually agree with you. But where do you draw the line? And why one institution over another? Is it more important for all people to have access to fire departments than to health care? Perhaps.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 02:42 AM

The UK might have the worst health care of any developed country.

The system is pure shit. It's a major consideration for me living here, because you have to think: What if? What if I get a brain tumor? What if I need emergency care? You really don't want to be in the UK if these things happen. As a person with a job you are MUCH better in the United States, so I probably won't live here as I get old if things stay the way they are.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 02:54 AM

well then. i was wrong.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

well then. i was wrong.

No.

You said Europe. I told you about healthcare in England, not Europe.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

No.

You said Europe. I told you about healthcare in England, not Europe.

i wasn't being facetious...that time.

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 06:11 AM

I'm fine with fire and police being gov't run, but only if voters could elect the police/fire chief as an elected official every 2-4 years (like they do for sheriffs.)

I am very against gov't run education and this country has shown that the more gov't interference in our education system, the worst we get. Why on Earth does a college degree mean nothing anymore? Because anybody can get it, thus we've all fucked ourselves into going to school an extra 4 years just to be competitive for jobs against the same stupid fucks that shouldn't even have graduated 10th grade.

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 06:23 AM

As for Olbermann, he and his little spurts are cute. I wonder if he really enjoys this job over something like sportscenter. Notice how he doesn't touch Ron Paul in his 11 minute campaign. Ron Paul is one of (if not THE only) medical doctors in Congress and would destroy Olbermann in a debate over this issue. At least O'Rielly debates people (or more talks over them) but a one-sided rant gets no credit from me.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 06:45 AM

I just thought of this on the walk home, and maybe it deserves another thread, and the question itself might be dumb as hell, but in this day and age, how come we don't get to vote on wars...? By "wars" I mean "our occupation of other countries"

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

I just thought of this on the walk home, and maybe it deserves another thread, and the question itself might be dumb as hell, but in this day and age, how come we don't get to vote on wars...? By "wars" I mean "our occupation of other countries"

We do. Congress must approve of any war declaration. How the gov't gets away with what they are doing is that they are not "declaring" war, but more just occupying with force. We have no true enemy when we occupy, thus it's not war.

But I do agree, it's bullshit.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 03:18 PM

Blonde did you think that video you posted was any good?

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Blonde did you think that video you posted was any good?

Yes.

Dent · 08-05-2009, 03:29 PM

government dont care about average white people ;,(

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 04:30 PM

You can rip on Olbermann all you want, but what he said in that particular video was great. Powerful special interest lobbying (bribing) politicians compromises their integrity and this holds them accountable for the worms they are. The more he singles out these sleazy politicians the better.

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	#YOLO

08-05-2009, 01:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Government ran health care is inefficient and enables its citizens to become spoiled and irresponsible for their own health. I think some type of catastrophe insurance offered to poor people is okay (sort of like how some government-funded public transportation can be okay), but beyond that, the government shouldn't have anything to do with health care. Also, Blonde, Olberman is a joke and European health care sucks big time. Repug is actually making some sense here: allowing the government to have their hand in health care is a recipe for corruption and inefficiencies.
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08-05-2009, 02:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	The UK might have the worst health care of any developed country. The system is pure shit. It's a major consideration for me living here, because you have to think: What if? What if I get a brain tumor? What if I need emergency care? You really don't want to be in the UK if these things happen. As a person with a job you are MUCH better in the United States, so I probably won't live here as I get old if things stay the way they are.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

08-05-2009, 06:45 AM	#20 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	I just thought of this on the walk home, and maybe it deserves another thread, and the question itself might be dumb as hell, but in this day and age, how come we don't get to vote on wars...? By "wars" I mean "our occupation of other countries"
	Last edited by Mr. Blonde; 08-05-2009 at 06:49 AM.

08-04-2009, 11:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I think Public Health Care is a nice idea, but it principally fails to fulfill the need for gov't and health care to combine to make prices affordable.

08-05-2009, 12:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	posted the above youtube vid on facebook and a shitstorm ensued:

08-05-2009, 12:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	I just realized I wrote "there" instead of "their" - I am ashamed.

08-05-2009, 01:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	Why is it cool with you guys to have socialized education and socialized fire and police departments?

08-05-2009, 02:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	It's about balance, Repug. Certainly some government-ran social systems are better than none. Anarchy doesn't work. But neither does full-on communism. The key is to find the right balance of governmental power and responsibilities. Right now I believe the government is larger than what is optimal and, unfortunately, only getting larger.

08-05-2009, 02:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	The thing is, I actually agree with you. But where do you draw the line? And why one institution over another? Is it more important for all people to have access to fire departments than to health care? Perhaps.

08-05-2009, 02:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	well then. i was wrong.

08-05-2009, 06:11 AM	#18 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I'm fine with fire and police being gov't run, but only if voters could elect the police/fire chief as an elected official every 2-4 years (like they do for sheriffs.) I am very against gov't run education and this country has shown that the more gov't interference in our education system, the worst we get. Why on Earth does a college degree mean nothing anymore? Because anybody can get it, thus we've all fucked ourselves into going to school an extra 4 years just to be competitive for jobs against the same stupid fucks that shouldn't even have graduated 10th grade.

08-05-2009, 06:23 AM	#19 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	As for Olbermann, he and his little spurts are cute. I wonder if he really enjoys this job over something like sportscenter. Notice how he doesn't touch Ron Paul in his 11 minute campaign. Ron Paul is one of (if not THE only) medical doctors in Congress and would destroy Olbermann in a debate over this issue. At least O'Rielly debates people (or more talks over them) but a one-sided rant gets no credit from me.

08-05-2009, 03:18 PM	#22 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	Blonde did you think that video you posted was any good?
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

08-05-2009, 03:29 PM	#24 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,505 Internets: 177361	government dont care about average white people ;,(

08-05-2009, 04:30 PM	#25 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	You can rip on Olbermann all you want, but what he said in that particular video was great. Powerful special interest lobbying (bribing) politicians compromises their integrity and this holds them accountable for the worms they are. The more he singles out these sleazy politicians the better.

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