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Mr. Blonde · 08-04-2009, 11:18 PM

We don't have a thread for this and I have a feeling its going to be pretty important in the next few years. Heres what the internet has to say:

YouTube - Keith Olbermann Special Comment On Health Care Reform

Repugnant Abomination · 08-04-2009, 11:33 PM

This ought to be good.

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 12:44 AM

I think Public Health Care is a nice idea, but it principally fails to fulfill the need for gov't and health care to combine to make prices affordable.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 01:10 AM

posted the above youtube vid on facebook and a shitstorm ensued:

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 01:16 AM

I just realized I wrote "there" instead of "their" - I am ashamed.

Mr. Mistoffelees · 08-05-2009, 01:34 AM

I just tried to give blonde +rep but it says i've given it to him too recently. WTF IS HAPPENING THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD

Ugly Bastard · 08-05-2009, 02:54 AM

Government ran health care is inefficient and enables its citizens to become spoiled and irresponsible for their own health. I think some type of catastrophe insurance offered to poor people is okay (sort of like how some government-funded public transportation can be okay), but beyond that, the government shouldn't have anything to do with health care.

Also, Blonde, Olberman is a joke and European health care sucks big time.

Repug is actually making some sense here: allowing the government to have their hand in health care is a recipe for corruption and inefficiencies.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Because we all know the Government is small and efficient!

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 02:56 AM

Why is it cool with you guys to have socialized education and socialized fire and police departments?

Ugly Bastard · 08-05-2009, 03:16 AM

It's about balance, Repug. Certainly some government-ran social systems are better than none. Anarchy doesn't work. But neither does full-on communism. The key is to find the right balance of governmental power and responsibilities. Right now I believe the government is larger than what is optimal and, unfortunately, only getting larger.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 03:25 AM

The thing is, I actually agree with you. But where do you draw the line? And why one institution over another? Is it more important for all people to have access to fire departments than to health care? Perhaps.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

European health care sucks big time.

I really don't know all that much about it; ll of my friends who live in Europe have nothing but good things to say about it. Maybe FC or Dent can provide some more first hand experience, although I'm sure FC is covered by his company he might know more about it.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 03:42 AM

The UK might have the worst health care of any developed country.

The system is pure shit. It's a major consideration for me living here, because you have to think: What if? What if I get a brain tumor? What if I need emergency care? You really don't want to be in the UK if these things happen. As a person with a job you are MUCH better in the United States, so I probably won't live here as I get old if things stay the way they are.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 03:54 AM

well then. i was wrong.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

well then. i was wrong.

No.

You said Europe. I told you about healthcare in England, not Europe.

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 07:11 AM

I'm fine with fire and police being gov't run, but only if voters could elect the police/fire chief as an elected official every 2-4 years (like they do for sheriffs.)

I am very against gov't run education and this country has shown that the more gov't interference in our education system, the worst we get. Why on Earth does a college degree mean nothing anymore? Because anybody can get it, thus we've all fucked ourselves into going to school an extra 4 years just to be competitive for jobs against the same stupid fucks that shouldn't even have graduated 10th grade.

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 07:23 AM

As for Olbermann, he and his little spurts are cute. I wonder if he really enjoys this job over something like sportscenter. Notice how he doesn't touch Ron Paul in his 11 minute campaign. Ron Paul is one of (if not THE only) medical doctors in Congress and would destroy Olbermann in a debate over this issue. At least O'Rielly debates people (or more talks over them) but a one-sided rant gets no credit from me.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

No.

You said Europe. I told you about healthcare in England, not Europe.

i wasn't being facetious...that time.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 07:45 AM

I just thought of this on the walk home, and maybe it deserves another thread, and the question itself might be dumb as hell, but in this day and age, how come we don't get to vote on wars...? By "wars" I mean "our occupation of other countries"

f3lix · 08-05-2009, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

I just thought of this on the walk home, and maybe it deserves another thread, and the question itself might be dumb as hell, but in this day and age, how come we don't get to vote on wars...? By "wars" I mean "our occupation of other countries"

We do. Congress must approve of any war declaration. How the gov't gets away with what they are doing is that they are not "declaring" war, but more just occupying with force. We have no true enemy when we occupy, thus it's not war.

But I do agree, it's bullshit.

DJ FC · 08-05-2009, 04:18 PM

Blonde did you think that video you posted was any good?

Dent · 08-05-2009, 04:29 PM

government dont care about average white people ;,(

Repugnant Abomination · 08-05-2009, 05:30 PM

You can rip on Olbermann all you want, but what he said in that particular video was great. Powerful special interest lobbying (bribing) politicians compromises their integrity and this holds them accountable for the worms they are. The more he singles out these sleazy politicians the better.

TwoBlackEyes · 08-05-2009, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Because we all know the Government is small and efficient!

Medicare runs at about 3% overhead.

Private insurance runs at about 9-17% overhead.

http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/re...nicalPaper.pdf

Every bit of overhead is money you pay and get no benefit for.

Personally I'd rather throw 3% down a hole than 9%. Maybe that's just me.

Mr. Blonde · 08-05-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Blonde did you think that video you posted was any good?

Yes.

08-04-2009, 11:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Shitousan Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,404 Internets: 53206	This ought to be good.
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08-05-2009, 01:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mr. Mistoffelees Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,142 Internets: 97943	I just tried to give blonde +rep but it says i've given it to him too recently. WTF IS HAPPENING THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD
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08-05-2009, 02:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Playa del Carmen Posts: 12,786 Internets: 117711	Government ran health care is inefficient and enables its citizens to become spoiled and irresponsible for their own health. I think some type of catastrophe insurance offered to poor people is okay (sort of like how some government-funded public transportation can be okay), but beyond that, the government shouldn't have anything to do with health care. Also, Blonde, Olberman is a joke and European health care sucks big time. Repug is actually making some sense here: allowing the government to have their hand in health care is a recipe for corruption and inefficiencies.
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08-05-2009, 03:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Playa del Carmen Posts: 12,786 Internets: 117711	It's about balance, Repug. Certainly some government-ran social systems are better than none. Anarchy doesn't work. But neither does full-on communism. The key is to find the right balance of governmental power and responsibilities. Right now I believe the government is larger than what is optimal and, unfortunately, only getting larger.
	www.ItsOrangeNotRed.com

08-05-2009, 03:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
DJ FC London Money™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Posts: 4,184 Internets: 94052	The UK might have the worst health care of any developed country. The system is pure shit. It's a major consideration for me living here, because you have to think: What if? What if I get a brain tumor? What if I need emergency care? You really don't want to be in the UK if these things happen. As a person with a job you are MUCH better in the United States, so I probably won't live here as I get old if things stay the way they are.
	God Save the Queen

08-05-2009, 12:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
f3lix Here's a fuckin how-de-do Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,226 Internets: 57938	I think Public Health Care is a nice idea, but it principally fails to fulfill the need for gov't and health care to combine to make prices affordable.

08-05-2009, 01:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde I WURRVV UUUUUU Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix. FML Posts: 15,936 Internets: 116691	posted the above youtube vid on facebook and a shitstorm ensued:

08-05-2009, 01:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Shitousan Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,404 Internets: 53206	I just realized I wrote "there" instead of "their" - I am ashamed.

08-05-2009, 02:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Shitousan Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,404 Internets: 53206	Why is it cool with you guys to have socialized education and socialized fire and police departments?

08-05-2009, 03:25 AM	#11 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Shitousan Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,404 Internets: 53206	The thing is, I actually agree with you. But where do you draw the line? And why one institution over another? Is it more important for all people to have access to fire departments than to health care? Perhaps.

08-05-2009, 03:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde I WURRVV UUUUUU Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix. FML Posts: 15,936 Internets: 116691	well then. i was wrong.

08-05-2009, 07:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
f3lix Here's a fuckin how-de-do Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,226 Internets: 57938	I'm fine with fire and police being gov't run, but only if voters could elect the police/fire chief as an elected official every 2-4 years (like they do for sheriffs.) I am very against gov't run education and this country has shown that the more gov't interference in our education system, the worst we get. Why on Earth does a college degree mean nothing anymore? Because anybody can get it, thus we've all fucked ourselves into going to school an extra 4 years just to be competitive for jobs against the same stupid fucks that shouldn't even have graduated 10th grade.

08-05-2009, 07:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
f3lix Here's a fuckin how-de-do Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,226 Internets: 57938	As for Olbermann, he and his little spurts are cute. I wonder if he really enjoys this job over something like sportscenter. Notice how he doesn't touch Ron Paul in his 11 minute campaign. Ron Paul is one of (if not THE only) medical doctors in Congress and would destroy Olbermann in a debate over this issue. At least O'Rielly debates people (or more talks over them) but a one-sided rant gets no credit from me.

08-05-2009, 07:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde I WURRVV UUUUUU Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix. FML Posts: 15,936 Internets: 116691	I just thought of this on the walk home, and maybe it deserves another thread, and the question itself might be dumb as hell, but in this day and age, how come we don't get to vote on wars...? By "wars" I mean "our occupation of other countries"
	Last edited by Mr. Blonde; 08-05-2009 at 07:49 AM.

08-05-2009, 04:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
DJ FC London Money™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Posts: 4,184 Internets: 94052	Blonde did you think that video you posted was any good?
	God Save the Queen

08-05-2009, 04:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
Dent Working Class Hero Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,344 Internets: 7638	government dont care about average white people ;,(
	Tell them to go fuck themselves. Richard Dawkins

08-05-2009, 05:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Shitousan Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,404 Internets: 53206	You can rip on Olbermann all you want, but what he said in that particular video was great. Powerful special interest lobbying (bribing) politicians compromises their integrity and this holds them accountable for the worms they are. The more he singles out these sleazy politicians the better.

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