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Mr. Blonde · 10-23-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

Here's the deal Repug, you've obviously thought and talked to others about their faith. You've talked about your cult sister (which is a horrible example of being a believer). Would it really matter what I had to say over the internet to you? Probably not. With that being said a lot of the feelings that you had I had as well. I was never scared of death because my ego wouldn't let me. I was however very scared at the person I was becoming. Once God started to lay the groundwork in my life and I finally cracked, life has never been more fulfilling or peaceful. I have an overwhelming feeling of content that I never had. The thing is really anything that I could say will only be things that you guys have heard a million times.

And Blonde faith is a gift, you either choose to accept it or you don't. Hebrews 11:3: "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

As a baby believer I still sin and mess up all the time. You guys think I don't get drunk anymore? Or that I still don't struggle with sex and things like that. I still struggle everyday, being a believer doesn't rid you of all the things that made up your old life. It simply convicts you too work harder at growing in your relationship with Christ and becoming a better example to others. I've said my peace and thats really all the more I have to say about it. I would gladly talk to anyone of you personally as long as you were as open to my beliefs as I was to yours. Being an atheist or agnostic is exactly where I was at for so many years. Many of the things you guys bring up as to why you don't believe were part of the 100s of reasons I didn't too.

Is it possible this is a massive trolling?

BigDongedHoe · 10-23-2009, 12:06 PM

Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

I Thessalonians 4:1-8

There are other verses that talk about sexual immorality as well.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21

Having a drink isn't a sin but being overly drunk in my opinion is. Basically anything that I feel convicted about I think is something I shouldn't be doing. Thats not to say I still don't do it and honestly at times I don't really feel that bad about getting drunk.

I believe Jesus is the son of God and I believe that the bible is the word of God. Because I believe the bible is the word of God I believe that what it says is truth. If I believe that then I have to believe that this scripture pretty much says its sinful to get drunk and have pre-marital sex.

Dent · 10-23-2009, 01:38 PM

I believe you a dumbass.

Edit : I have evidence too, unlike you.

Ugly Bastard · 10-23-2009, 02:04 PM

I think I can somewhat relate to BDH's frame of mind right now.

A little over a year ago, I was in Vegas for the WSOP. On one particular night, f3lix and I went out and I really started getting after some beers. Mixed with the prescription medication I was on at the time, I started getting pretty maniacal. Okay, very maniacal. One little thing irritated me, I think it was f3lix telling me that the bartender warned him to keep me cool, and I just lost it. In hindsight, he should have never told me that, but I don't hold any fault against him for it. Anyway, I basically started telling people to fuck off and had to be led out of the bar. The guy who led me out was actually really cool. I think he could tell that I was ultimately harmless and didn't need the whole Blonde-dragged-up-the-stairs treatment, so he just basically followed me out and I completely complied at that point.

Anyway... the next day I had a pretty big moment of introspection and decided to give up alcohol completely. This is why I feel like I can relate to BDH right now because my exact thoughts were "who am I becoming?!" I went through this slide show presentation that profoundly changed my outlook on drinking. I actually cried when it was over. I don't think I've cried since. Actually, that's not true, I cried a few days later a while after I got knocked out of the WSOP, but I haven't cried since then.

The rest of the story is that I was sober for about 40 days before realizing that I had overreacted to an overreaction. In other words, I had one bad trip on alcohol and saw a side of myself that I didn't like, so I panicked and flung myself to the opposite end of the spectrum. Since then, I've learned that happiness is tough to find when you're flying back and forth between the extremes and that one of the keys to leading a content existence is to practice balance and moderation. I certainly still enjoy alcohol once or twice a week, but I've learned to stop after six or seven and not just plow through to twelve and thirteen. The returns get really diminishing at that point anyway.

Alright, that's my story. I just have the inclination that BDH had some type of an "episode" that led to this newfound Christianity and might be more willing to open up a little about it when realizing that he's definitely not alone on such an experience.

Mr. Blonde · 10-23-2009, 02:42 PM

When the hell did I have to be dragged up the stairs?

Ugly Bastard · 10-23-2009, 02:44 PM

Are you serious? Remember being in handcuffs near ASU hanging out with SittinOn and I last year?

edit: Or was that earlier this year? I'm sooo bad with memory on stuff like this.

ninjaface · 10-23-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

I believe Jesus is the son of God and I believe that the bible is the word of God. Because I believe the bible is the word of God I believe that what it says is truth. If I believe that then I have to believe that this scripture pretty much says its sinful to get drunk and have pre-marital sex.

So you believe the bible is the word of god. And by extension you believe every word of it.

Check out this little gem:

2 Samuel 11-12

Smmary:

David killed Uriah and ganked his wife. They fucked and had a son together. god didn't like what he did, so he killed David's child.

This god character seems like a real dick head. But I guess since god is infallible, that was the right thing to do.

BigDongedHoe · 10-23-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Alright, that's my story. I just have the inclination that BDH had some type of an "episode" that led to this newfound Christianity and might be more willing to open up a little about it when realizing that he's definitely not alone on such an experience.

No episode in particular. Just a culmination of life experiences and realizing what people I truly respected in life. The men that I know and respect the most all had one common thing and that was Christ. They weren't boastful, judgmental, close minded, or any of the other things you (and I at a time) associate Christianity with. There was something about them that draws you in. The overall joy you can see that they have in there life. The way that they love all people no matter what background they came from. The happiness they have in marriage even in 30+ years of marriage. All things that I saw myself not having and all things I wanted to have. These men allowed me to talk to them openly about anything and everything and loved me unconditionally. They setup a prayer chain for me and honestly it wasn't me who chose Christ I truly believe Christ chose me. He did the work in my heart that made me want to get to know him. It is probably hard for you all to understand, it was hard for me to understand. As I said before I know that I know that I know. I couldn't denounce Christ if I wanted too. Hell I tried to fight this for a while but I couldn't... and I thank God for that everyday

My eyes are continuously opened and changed daily on what I used to think. I realize there are Christian people that I know are believers but I honestly cannot stand them. There are non-believers that I get along with better than some very strong believers. Faith is an individual relationship.

Ugly Bastard · 10-23-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

They weren't boastful, judgmental, close minded, or any of the other things you (and I at a time) associate Christianity with. There was something about them that draws you in. The overall joy you can see that they have in there life. The way that they love all people no matter what background they came from.

The irony is that I feel I can say this same thing about you including before "Christ found you".

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 10-23-2009, 07:57 PM

BDH, while reading about your diatribe about how successful your social skills make you I couldn't help but wonder if you've even found a job yet (working for daddy doesn't count).

On the other side of the coin being a smooth talker and "relationship builder" can only get you so far. Being one dimensional either way handicaps you.

Your CEO argument is way off base. The personality traits of CEOs drive them to want to be in there position and work with people. The engineers and scientists, "smart kids," you speak of with "limited potential" don't want to be CEOs. If they did, they would have went to business school instead of studying their fields... Also are you familiar with Bill Gates, or Steve jobbs?

And heres a little secret for you, don't tell anyone. The CEO's were the smart kids. They just went into a different field than the other smart kids.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 10-23-2009, 08:12 PM

So what? BDH found god and it makes him happy. why do atheists always care so much? Dent bought a Kia and he hasn't even got this much shit for that.

I rarely think about god or bother figuring out why people believe in him. Its the next evolution for atheism. try it some time.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 10-23-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

started telling people to fuck off and had to be led out of the bar.

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Remember being in handcuffs near ASU hanging out with SittinOn and I last year?

man, you guys need to learn how to control yourself when you're drinking.

Mr. Blonde · 10-23-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Are you serious? Remember being in handcuffs near ASU hanging out with SittinOn and I last year?

edit: Or was that earlier this year? I'm sooo bad with memory on stuff like this.

Oh, yeah, sorry. You have to admit that was more like nonviolent resistance, I was thinking a fight or something in college. All that was was just me telling the guy that if he wanted me to leave he could drag me out and I wouldn't fight him, but I wasn't going to leave for absolutely no reason just because he asked.

Repugnant Abomination · 10-24-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by THEINCREDIBLEdork

So what? BDH found god and it makes him happy. why do atheists always care so much?
I rarely think about god or bother figuring out why people believe in him. Its the next evolution for atheism. try it some time.

On a philosophical level I agree with you. Whatever gets you through the day I guess. But from a political level several problems emerge.

I'm sure BDH is a really nice guy in person and is attracted to Christianity for its overall message of compassion and love. But this is an apologist reading that heavily glosses over many troubling verses in the Bible. When someone reads it literally as the word of God it justifies a lot of bigotry and hate, as we've seen. If you choose to gloss over the parts you don't like it's basically cherry picking what you find suitable, as a modern reader, and ignoring the more archaic, distasteful parts. That's not a true reading, and I find it dishonest.

This manifests itself in politics. When people vote against giving homosexuals equal rights because of their sexuality it is no different than voting against giving a black person equal rights because he's black. If you really think sexuality is a choice then ask yourself, as a heterosexual, could you really decide at any time to be gay, start taking it up the butt, and genuinely enjoy it like you do sex with a woman?

There's the abortion issue, where not only do many of these religious folks want abortions made illegal, but they don't want contraceptives or sex education available either.

And let's not forget the drug issue. Most religious people are socially conservative, yet they scream about personal liberty, as if the two aren't contradictory. If you really believe in personal liberty then the individual should be able to take whatever substances he or she wants - personal responsibility, right? If they fuck up their life it was their own choice to do so. And where should it stop? If someone is overweight should people vote to have the government enforce non-fatty meals?

I know this rant might seem off topic, but what I'm trying to say is that religious views have broader social and political consequences. Since we live in a democracy it only takes the largest number of stupid people to direct the course of our country.

I in no way mean to lump BDH in with my examples either. I understand it's not a political decision for him, but a "spiritual' one. However one ultimately influences the other, and I would be very surprised if he would vote liberally on social issues. After all, "God" does say homosexuality is a sin, and while he might say you love the sinner, hate the sin, it's still, in my opinion, bigoted, and condescending as all hell.

Still, I'm not going to lie - I envy his peace of mind.

vaga1220 * · 10-24-2009, 02:54 PM

Dent · 10-25-2009, 08:31 AM

Warning to everyone :
Don't be Lamont.

Mr. Blonde · 11-05-2009, 10:19 AM

YouTube - Jehovah's Witnesses come knocking

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 11-05-2009, 10:17 PM

What a nerd.

DDTempest · 11-05-2009, 10:47 PM

Today I was at a McDonalds and someone had placed Christianity pamphlets on top of the urinals, I placed one in the urinal after I finished my business so that someone would have to choose: do I piss on Christ's word OR use the little kids urinal?

Mr. Blonde · 11-11-2009, 04:04 PM

In the Muslim world, creationism is on the rise - The Boston Globe

Beebs · 11-12-2009, 12:25 AM

YouTube - NoFX - I'm Going To Hell For This One

Dent · 11-12-2009, 12:43 PM

But Christians are just harmless good people that are mistaken right?

Allison Kilkenny: Catholic Church Threatens To Stop Feeding Homeless Over Gay Marriage

DDTempest · 11-12-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dent

But Christians are just harmless good people that are mistaken right?

Allison Kilkenny: Catholic Church Threatens To Stop Feeding Homeless Over Gay Marriage

The article wouldn't come up, I am absolutely fine with them not feeding the homeless though.

Dent · 11-12-2009, 01:23 PM

Not sure why its not showing, it's not showing for me either, maybe it was pulled.
Found it here also :

Allison Kilkenny - Unreported – Catholic church threatens to stop feeding homeless over gay marriage - True/Slant

And yeah they aren't obliged to do anything for anyone, make them pay the same tax as everyone else and let them do what they want, If they don't want to marry gay people so be it, they're missing out on a lot of money for not doing so though.

I guess it does show how pathetic they are though, it also shows that they REALLY FUCKING HATE GAYS, either that or they're tired of homeless people stinking the churches up.

Beebs · 11-12-2009, 02:23 PM

In the US the tax free status is for being a non-profit, not for letting gays get married.

Maybe it's different in the UK, but if their tax status is based on being non-profit, why would it change for them sticking to one of their core principles (retarded as it may be)?

10-23-2009, 12:06 PM	#502 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. I Thessalonians 4:1-8 There are other verses that talk about sexual immorality as well. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 Having a drink isn't a sin but being overly drunk in my opinion is. Basically anything that I feel convicted about I think is something I shouldn't be doing. Thats not to say I still don't do it and honestly at times I don't really feel that bad about getting drunk. I believe Jesus is the son of God and I believe that the bible is the word of God. Because I believe the bible is the word of God I believe that what it says is truth. If I believe that then I have to believe that this scripture pretty much says its sinful to get drunk and have pre-marital sex.
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10-23-2009, 07:57 PM	#510 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,316 Internets: 284585	BDH, while reading about your diatribe about how successful your social skills make you I couldn't help but wonder if you've even found a job yet (working for daddy doesn't count). On the other side of the coin being a smooth talker and "relationship builder" can only get you so far. Being one dimensional either way handicaps you. Your CEO argument is way off base. The personality traits of CEOs drive them to want to be in there position and work with people. The engineers and scientists, "smart kids," you speak of with "limited potential" don't want to be CEOs. If they did, they would have went to business school instead of studying their fields... Also are you familiar with Bill Gates, or Steve jobbs? And heres a little secret for you, don't tell anyone. The CEO's were the smart kids. They just went into a different field than the other smart kids.
	#YOLO

10-23-2009, 08:12 PM	#511 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,316 Internets: 284585	So what? BDH found god and it makes him happy. why do atheists always care so much? Dent bought a Kia and he hasn't even got this much shit for that. I rarely think about god or bother figuring out why people believe in him. Its the next evolution for atheism. try it some time.
	#YOLO

10-24-2009, 02:54 PM	#515 (permalink)
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11-05-2009, 10:17 PM	#518 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,316 Internets: 284585	What a nerd.
	#YOLO

10-23-2009, 01:38 PM	#503 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,507 Internets: 177361	I believe you a dumbass. Edit : I have evidence too, unlike you.

10-23-2009, 02:04 PM	#504 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	I think I can somewhat relate to BDH's frame of mind right now. A little over a year ago, I was in Vegas for the WSOP. On one particular night, f3lix and I went out and I really started getting after some beers. Mixed with the prescription medication I was on at the time, I started getting pretty maniacal. Okay, very maniacal. One little thing irritated me, I think it was f3lix telling me that the bartender warned him to keep me cool, and I just lost it. In hindsight, he should have never told me that, but I don't hold any fault against him for it. Anyway, I basically started telling people to fuck off and had to be led out of the bar. The guy who led me out was actually really cool. I think he could tell that I was ultimately harmless and didn't need the whole Blonde-dragged-up-the-stairs treatment, so he just basically followed me out and I completely complied at that point. Anyway... the next day I had a pretty big moment of introspection and decided to give up alcohol completely. This is why I feel like I can relate to BDH right now because my exact thoughts were "who am I becoming?!" I went through this slide show presentation that profoundly changed my outlook on drinking. I actually cried when it was over. I don't think I've cried since. Actually, that's not true, I cried a few days later a while after I got knocked out of the WSOP, but I haven't cried since then. The rest of the story is that I was sober for about 40 days before realizing that I had overreacted to an overreaction. In other words, I had one bad trip on alcohol and saw a side of myself that I didn't like, so I panicked and flung myself to the opposite end of the spectrum. Since then, I've learned that happiness is tough to find when you're flying back and forth between the extremes and that one of the keys to leading a content existence is to practice balance and moderation. I certainly still enjoy alcohol once or twice a week, but I've learned to stop after six or seven and not just plow through to twelve and thirteen. The returns get really diminishing at that point anyway. Alright, that's my story. I just have the inclination that BDH had some type of an "episode" that led to this newfound Christianity and might be more willing to open up a little about it when realizing that he's definitely not alone on such an experience.

10-23-2009, 02:42 PM	#505 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	When the hell did I have to be dragged up the stairs?

10-23-2009, 02:44 PM	#506 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Are you serious? Remember being in handcuffs near ASU hanging out with SittinOn and I last year? edit: Or was that earlier this year? I'm sooo bad with memory on stuff like this.

10-25-2009, 08:31 AM	#516 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,507 Internets: 177361	Warning to everyone : Don't be Lamont.

11-11-2009, 04:04 PM	#520 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	In the Muslim world, creationism is on the rise - The Boston Globe
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11-12-2009, 12:43 PM	#522 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,507 Internets: 177361	But Christians are just harmless good people that are mistaken right? Allison Kilkenny: Catholic Church Threatens To Stop Feeding Homeless Over Gay Marriage

11-12-2009, 01:23 PM	#524 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,507 Internets: 177361	Not sure why its not showing, it's not showing for me either, maybe it was pulled. Found it here also : Allison Kilkenny - Unreported – Catholic church threatens to stop feeding homeless over gay marriage - True/Slant And yeah they aren't obliged to do anything for anyone, make them pay the same tax as everyone else and let them do what they want, If they don't want to marry gay people so be it, they're missing out on a lot of money for not doing so though. I guess it does show how pathetic they are though, it also shows that they REALLY FUCKING HATE GAYS, either that or they're tired of homeless people stinking the churches up.

11-12-2009, 02:23 PM	#525 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	In the US the tax free status is for being a non-profit, not for letting gays get married. Maybe it's different in the UK, but if their tax status is based on being non-profit, why would it change for them sticking to one of their core principles (retarded as it may be)?