Legalize Marijuana

[Osiris]

Can you imagine the tax money that the government is missing out on by not legalizing marijuana? To be honest, alcohol is just as, if not more, dangerous than marijuana. And what are the negative effects of marijuana? What are the real arguements against it (other than the religious right just thinks it's wrong)?

I'm sure everyone has an opinion on this, I'm just trying to get the conversation going.

[ProfessorNumber]

I have the feeling that aside from Schroeder, everyone on here will agree with you. But, since I like preaching to the quoir...

Marijuana causes NO brain damage, which can't be said about alcohol. According to this site, which is against marijuana, the only negative affect is lung damage from smoking. No where do they mention brain damage. However, this is very avoidable through brownies or vaporizer's. Not to mention, cigarettes are extremely damaging to people's lungs. But, this does not make them illegal.

Sadly, the public television ads against pot are full of propaganda that is falsley created in order to scare people. Take for instance the quote "One in three drivers tested for marijuana, after a car wreck, tested positive." Now, what they don't tell you is that not all drivers are tested for marijuana after a crash. ONLY those that look suspicious are, meaning that the above statistic is wrong. Also, saying a person had marijuana in their system is not synonymous with meaning that the person was high while driving. The person could have smoked the week before the crash and still test postive.

Then there is that commercial where they show some kid cutting up four cigarettes and rolling the tobacco into 1 big joint. The some dipshit narrator comes on and says in a concerned voice, "one marijuana joint contains the same amount of harmful chemicals as 4 cigarettes." Of course, they neglect to tell you exactly what their definition of a marijuana joint is. And, who smokes four joints at once? Not many people do, but a lot of people do smoke 20 cigarettes in one day. And, once again, you can always use a vaporizer and eliminate much of the harmful chemicals.

There truly is no logical argument against the legalization of marijuana. Would it cause more driving accidents? Saying it would is nothing more than speculation. Not only that, but it would add a small, but noticeable, addition to our economy.

But in the end who really cares, I severely doubt that my saying this will somehow make our government change their laws.

[ProfessorNumber]

*double fucking post.. why the hell does it post the same message twice sometimes?

[ September 24, 2003, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: ProfessorNumber ]

[Schroeder]

Actually, I really don't care if they legalize marijuana as long as people will be responsible about it. Since people won't be responsible, however, I would hate to see its effects. Look at how messed up cities like Amsterdam are.

Yeah, so legalizing it is fine with me, but only in already liberal major cities like Seattle and San Francisco.

[Pliedes]

Schroeder, what the fuck kind of a comment is that? Legilze it in already liberal cities? Where the hell are you pulling that from?

Why cities like Seattle and SF? Because they're already messed up? My next question is this; when was the last time you were in SF or Seattle?

As to the mary jane; I think if alcohol should be legal, then so should pot.

[ September 24, 2003, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

[silver and cold]

Yeah, it should be legalized! The only real argument that is true, is how it fucks with you, but so does alcohol, if you get drunk, you get impared(sp). With lil differents, the effects are fairly the same, and health wise, pot is better for you!

[Titan]

Originally posted by ProfessorNumber:
*double fucking post.. why the hell does it post the same message twice sometimes?

It probably has something to do with your deficient computing skills.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by silver and cold:
Yeah, it should be legalized! The only real argument that is true, is how it fucks with you, but so does alcohol, if you get drunk, you get impared(sp).

Ah, but SilverandCold, alcohols's physical effects only affect the person who uses them. Smoking and Weed both give off second hand smoke that affect other people, not just the person who uses them.

Pliedes, all I'm saying is I don't want it near me. Of course, it's always been my belief that the U.S. is too lenient, instead of too strict. I think legalizing another drug would only make things worse.

Legalizing marijuana would eventually lead to people wanting to legalize cocaine, LSD, and other higher-tier drugs. Legalizing marijuana would be opening a floodgate, and once that door is open, it can never be closed again.

[Niger Angelus]

Ahh, the gateway drug theory. Let me tell you this, I smoke dank from time to time; now does that mean that I soon with snort coke?

[Pliedes]

Schroeder, people acknowledge and advocate cannibis because they know it has no real negative effects, those same people will also acknowledge that cocaine and lsd are horrid drugs with very negative consequences.

Legalizing marijuana would open a floodgate which would lead to higher level drugs? You stupid piece of shit. Does everybody who drinks all of a sudden start doing crack? The whole 'gateway drug' concept is a bunch of DARE bullshit.

Second hand smoke? Second hand fucking smoke? If that's your arguement, than by your logic we should also outlaw tobacco.

Wow, seriously Schroeder, make some serious arguements, because what you're offering up is horrible.

[Niger Angelus]

Very well put sir, lovely.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
than by your logic we should also outlaw tobacco.

Yeah, I'm definitely up for that, too.

People who smoke inevitably get sick. That's what happens when you put toxins into your body. Some of these lower income people are then permitted to have their health bills paid for by the government. The government gets a great portion of it's money from taxes. We all pay taxes. So smoking eventually is theft from everyone. Next time you're out driving on the road and hit a pothole, after you get done cursing to the high heavens, remember that money that could have been used to fix that road is being used to help some dumbass who's trying to catch death as quick as he can try to live.

The same thing will happen to potheads provided marijuana is legalized.

[ September 24, 2003, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Schroeder ]

[Saint DH]

Yeah, but you'd probably outlaw dancing, singing, fucking, looking a girls, masturbating, eating junk food, spitting, pornography, music, television, movies, alcohol, bars, strip bars, gambling, premarital sex...so who really gives a shit.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
Schroeder, people acknowledge and advocate cannibis because they know it has no real negative effects

A drug is a drug because it has negative effects. How about some positive effects that cannibis has? Come on, anybody?

[Schroeder]

Hey, Dirty how about you counterpoint my arguements instead of low-brow namecalling.

[ProfessorNumber]

Schroeder, saying that a product/service needs some sort of positive effect to be legal is ridiculous logic. Infact, it's outright idiotic. Not only that, but you are trying to turn a subjective matter into black and white. Maybe I think that chocolate has no redeeming positive effects. Should it be banned soley on that ideal? Of course not. It's a matter of symantics; to some, the effects of using marijuana are positive.

A drug is considered a drug because our government, which is a very good government comparatively speaking, will NEVER admit it's wrong.

By legalizing marijuana, the government would be saying, "hey, we lied all these years by telling you how horrible marijuana is, but since you all saw through our propaganda ploy, I guess we'll admit defeat."

Hey Schroeder, how about you counterpoint any of our arguments with something other than with a PERSONAL, PETTY, INSIGNIFICANT, or FOOLISH comment. It's stupid to believe the propaganda served to you by DARE and tv. Do research, and I have the feeling that you will find that there are no significant negative affects to using marijuana aside from lung damage (which can be avoided very easily)

[Mister Bater]

Pro: Legalizing marijuana reduces the revenue received by drug dealers and allows the government to spend money on issues they can have an affect on.

Con: Marijuana does have similar effects to tobacco, in addition to the fact that if you take it with too much alcohol, you can die.

Pick your pleasure.

[Pliedes]

Tylenol is a fucking drug Schroeder! There are all sorts of drugs. I take an antibiotic, which is perscribed my doctor, it has the negative side effects of causing an upset stomach, dizziness, and drowsiness. You'd better outlaw it Schroeder.

Regardless, are you saying we should outlaw anything that may potentially have any, even extremely minor, negative effects on people? Jesus Christ, do you realize how much of an blatent attack on civil rights that is!

Do you have any comprehension of civil rights Schroeder?

[ September 24, 2003, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
Tylenol is a fucking drug Schroeder! There are all sorts of drugs. I take an antibiotic, which is perscribed my doctor, it has the negative side effects of causing an upset stomach, dizziness, and drowsiness. You'd better outlaw it Schroeder.

Pliedes, tylenol and prescription medicine help people. Marijuana does not. Just one example of marijuana helping a person and I'll shut up about this subject, and you guys can legalize your marijuana (not going to happen) and shoot society in the foot, a wound they will eventually bleed to death from.

You guys talk about me putting too much faith in the so-called "propaganda" of dare. Did you ever think that maybe you were giving in to the pro-drug propoganda? Of course not!

The government trying to keep you guys safe. Its trying to protect us all. Why always fight the system? We didn't make it 200+ years as a nation because we don't know what we are doing.

[StabMaster Arson]

Medically: marijuana is used to decrease pressure behind the eyes for people suffering from glaucoma.

marijuana is used to increase appetite and decrease queasiness for people undergoing chemotherapy.

marijuana is currently being tested and showing signs to combat the effects of herpes.

Agriculturally and practical uses: marijuana seeds provide more digestable protein (per weight) than soy beans.

hemp paper is easier to produce and causes less pollution during the processing than producing paper from trees... and it only takes months for a crop of hemp to mature where it takes years for trees. (according to the U.S. Ag Dept. you can make approximately 4x as much paper from an acre of hemp than you can from an acre of trees)

Rope and clothing made from hemp is actually easier to produce and more durable than current fibers used...

during WWII, George Bush I (mr. drugwar) bailed out of a plane with a hemp-made parachute on his back.

For a short period during WWII, although it was already illegal, farmers were ordered to grow hemp to help with the war effort.

levi's jeans, american flags, early drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, Guttenberg and King James Bibles... all have been made from or written on hemp.

before the 20th century, the marijuana plant provided almost all the world's paper, all the world's clothing and textiles, and almost all the world's rope.

Need more facts, Fucker?

[ September 24, 2003, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: StabMaster Arson ]

[the_butcher]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Did you ever think that maybe you were giving in to the pro-drug propoganda? Of course not!

Pro-drug propaganda? What the fuck are you talking about? America is too blatantly proud to face the facts that they are wrong about all of their previous "studies". There is no such thing as pro-drug propaganda you fucking idiot.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Why always fight the system?

Because the system isn't always correct. Would you jump off a bridge if your mom told you to? She's in charge, so obviously you should just do it, and not fight the system. Yeh, that makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
People who smoke inevitably get sick. That's what happens when you put toxins into your body.

No shit. People get fat when they eat food, it's a choice that they personally make. If you are up for taking away the rights granted to us by this great nation that you claim to speak so high of, then you are in turn saying that you believe the way our government is being run is wrong. Kinda of contradicting, eh?

Schroeder, you know nothing of this subject. That's clear. As always, you come into the fight thinking that you are right and are going to somehow win and change everyone's minds. Fuck off. You continue to prove your ignorance and you continually waste our time. Go kill yourself.

[Pliedes]

Schroeder, It's been clearly shown to you that marijuana does help people. Now, as you promised, you will shut up on this subject. Please do not post in this thread again unless it's to apologize for your ignorance.

[Combat Chuck]

I'm hoping that doesn't happen just so I don't have to see a post of his again.....or at least, not in here.

Anyway, the legalization of marijuana is pretty much an 'on the fence' topic for me. Basically, it could go either way for me.

It'd make it much easier on everyone if they would just legalize it. However, marijuana smoke is potentially harmful, but the funny fucking thing is, it isn't as harmful as cigarette smoke.....or at least, if I remember correctly.

Basically, I reiterate everything said in this topic, except for Scrote's views.

[Pliedes]

Whoaaaaa. Uh-oh everyone, Combat's a toker.
Just kidding.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Combat Chuck:
However, marijuana smoke is potentially harmful, but the funny fucking thing is, it isn't as harmful as cigarette smoke.....or at least, if I remember correctly.

According to a random Truth® PDA, a joint, bud, roach, doobie, stogie, or tree, contains as much cancer causing toxins as 4 cigarettes.