Everything Is Unique

[Orgazmo]

I'm bored so I'm going to type this out. It may not make sense because I'm going to just type it as it comes...not think about it too much or anything. Sorry.

This is a crazy little theory I came up with sometime ago. I argued about it with f3lix awhile back...he was trying to find holes...but his cunt ass really couldn't do it.

This is why everything is unique.

There are two types of measurements: Continuous and discrete. Continuous measurements are those that can be fractions...like how much someone weighs, how tall someone is, etc. For example, the length of my penis (11.5 inches) is a continuous measurement. Discrete measurements are those that can only be whole numbers...like the number of people in a house or the number of pencils on your desk. For example, I have one penis.

That said, items all have a number of continuous measurements associated with them. My keyboard, for example, weighs X.x pounds and is X.x inches long and X.x inches wide. The little light that it has to signify my num lock emits X.x lumens...shit like that.

Back to my penis. As already stated, its length is a continuous measurement. If I were to take a ruler and measure it, I'd get 11.5 inches. I could get more accurate, though. In fact, if I look a little closer, I'd see that it's actually 11.57 inches long. That number could still be improved though. If I got a microscope and really measured that motherfucker, I'd see that it's really 11.573829 inches long. I could do it all day long and still not be exactly accurate. Why? Because there is no exact measurement for anything continuous. You could always measure one more place of accuracy...until you had infinite places of accuracy.

Now let's talk about two pieces of paper. A single piece of paper measures 8.5" x 11". As we already determined, that's not exactly the truth, though. It's pretty close...but, in reality, nothing really measures 8.5" wide. Instead, one of the pieces of paper probably measures something closer to 8.500000000000000000002139874987239847293874" (continued to infinity) wide while the other is something like 8.500000000000000000000982734987234" (again) wide.

Once you accept that, it can be expanded a little bit. It means that there are infinite configurations for really simple things. In fact, nothing is ever duplicated...no matter how carefully and precisely it is made.

Now it gets kinda fucked up.

If you expand the theory to time, another continuous measurement, it still holds true. According to the theory, no two things happen at the same time. Event A and Event B can't happen at the same time. Maybe they both happened at 2:30pm on the same day...but really Event A happened at 2:30 + .2039874029784 (to infinity) of a second and Event B happened at 2:30 + .2987349872934 (to infinity) of a second.

Alright, now that we know that...think about this. Say Event A is me existing and Event B is you existing. Right now, I'm existing at a moment labeled 12:37am (plus an undetermined continuous measurement of a second) on December 11, 2005 and you're existing at a moment labeled 12:37am (plus anther undetermined continuous measurement of a second) on the same day. But...because the continuous measurements of a second can be infinitely expanded to be more and more accurate, they'll eventually deviate and the moments will become different...meaning we're not existing at the same time. In fact, by this theory, every single item is existing on its own timeline completely independent from every other item in the universe. That can't be true though...because I'm looking at my computer monitor right now...which is obviously existing at the same time as me. So fuck, I don't know.

I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[Mr. Blonde]

I'm not going to read this. I'm going to watch Keanu Reaves Kick some ass in the Matrix instead.

[Cocktooth]

im not going to read that...im going to watch keenu reeves surf with patrick swazye in point break

[Orgazmo]

Personally, I'd watch him defuse a bus with Sandra Bullock in Speed before either of those.

[Mr. Blonde]

Dude, fuck that, Matrix is the shizzity shite.

But Gaz, quantum theory tends to argue that at some level everything is indeed finite...

(Allthough the issue isn't settled yet)

[St. Anky]

quantum theory argues that at a finite level, everything can be measured to an understanable medium or variable.

however, thats like trying to say that at some level we as humans can understand everything that is going on at one state of time. its impossible.

great explanation though gaz. i followed the whole thing. and i'll quote active with my last statement.

evrything is about perception. perception decides the depth of measurement.

[Cocktooth]

Originally posted by Mr. Blonde:
Dude, fuck that, Matrix is the shizzity shite.

That would actually be number 3 on my list behind point break and bill and ted's excellent adventure

[Mr. Blonde]

I bet you never figured out what the matrix was, did you? Silly Shaw. Abstract concepts are for grown-ups.

[Cocktooth]

ill be honest...i have never really watched the movie but i did watch a couple guys play the game.....and i know that bill and teds excellent adventure video game was tight...and point break goes down in my 10 all time fav. movies..im not much for the fake action...give me stephan segal coming out of a coma after 8 years to avend his wife's death....

[Ugly Bastard]

You were fine until the paragraph that started "Alright, now...". To suggest that our matching 11.5 inch penises aren't really exactly matching - I can accept that.

To suggest that you and I aren't existing at the same time right now... that's pretty irrational. Think about what you're saying. Of course we exist at the same time.

While those hundred-trillionth places on the stopwatch are ticking by for you, they're doing the same for me. We both exist at the same time. And two events can happen at the same time. And two penises can have the same exact length. While nearly impossible - its still possible.

Your penis might be unique, but what if mine matches yours all the way out to infinity on the decimal places? It just always matches up length-wise. Perfectly. Its not impossible that this could happen. And as long as this lack of impossibility exists, you cannot say that all things are unique without subjecting yourself to being wrong on some instance, somewhere.

-UB

Well... actually in the case of continuous measurement, the odds that a certain object will be a certain length are zero.

Originally posted by St. Anky:
quantum theory argues that at a finite level, everything can be measured to an understanable medium or variable.

however, thats like trying to say that at some level we as humans can understand everything that is going on at one state of time. its impossible.

And what the hell are you talking about? I don't see the analogy at all.

[ December 11, 2005, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: DJ FC ]

[Heaven Can Wait]

I agree with UB on the time scale, your point makes no sense at all because we live for more than 0.0" seconds, oh and the penis thing it is possible, but then say an electron takes out an electron from your penis which happens all the while, there's also virtual particles which appear in vaccum's so theres no real way of measuring it.
same goes for gravitons

[Mr. Blonde]

I know Kung Fu.

Jesus christ do you always have to do this shit?

If you don't want to be involved in a conversation, leave it alone, instead of pulling a lipglosseddown "hehe i'm cute" joke.

[Mr. Blonde]

Yes.

[jbonham]

I think things are unique in some ways but not all the time in all the same ways. I think Gaz's problem occurred when using different means to measure different things. If we are existing now, then we are on the same clock, existing at the same specific time. To pinpoint an exact event down and compare it to a seperate event would be hard to measure, but two events can occur at the same exact time. To say otherwise, (as UB said) you would be wrong on some instance, somewhere as one person cannot measure all events that are currently happening at that moment.

[Beebs]

Although I skimmed most of this, Two things can be the absolute same size, the fact that this might not have ever happened or may never happen is irrelevant.

[Orgazmo]

Okay...I'll admit that two things can be the same size...but only if there are an infinite number of those things. Since there aren't an infinite number of anything (unless time in infinite, in which case there are an infinite number of everything), everything will always be unique.

Also, about the existing at the same time...this is kinda how I see it. Two things are never existing in the same moment...because a moment is a continuous measurement. But, as heaven said, we're all alive for more than a moment. And, because anyone alive for more than one moment is alive for an infinite number of moments, I guess people can exist at the same time...if that makes sense.

Also, on that note, if Person A exists in a moment X...and Person B exists continuously from a point in time before X to a point in time after moment X, I guess they must exist at the same time at some time...?

[ December 11, 2005, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Orgazmo ]

Yes.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

So does this mean I'm unique?

[Orgazmo]

Yes, just like everyone else.

[theMerciless1]

i say what beebs said.

[Heaven Can Wait]

Personally I believe that an exact copy of you could easily be created naturally in future, or may have already, our DNA is only made up of 5 nucleobases in order, think about back to when there were only a few nigger apes which bred with mommy and daddy, the genes would remain fairly the same and there is no reason why an exact copy could come out, however back when there were few 'humans' they had different features on average so the chance of getting an exact match is much less now.

[theMerciless1]

if you talk about an exact match down to cell structure and numberthen i'd tend to believe it is near impossible