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Ironic Mustache · 11-05-2008, 02:45 PM

California's Proposition 8 to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriages passed. Roughly 54% of the state's population voted not to not give them the right, but to take away their existing right, as protected by the state's constitution. There is some level of illogical hate that I just don't understand here... When you ask people why their against it, the married people will give you their template answers of, "it takes away from the meaning of my marriage." When you ask why or how, the standard is usually, "I don't know, I just don't think it's right."

The other side you get are the "this country was built on Chrisitianity" types. Yes well it was also built on slavery, and now a black dude is our president elect.

It's just amazing to me that in this day and age we as a society (which California represents a liberal side of) can actually take such a big step forward in the racial equality department, only to outdo ourselves in the hypocrisy department. Why not just come out and say, "Ok, we don't mind that you're black anymore, just don't be gay."

Repugnant Abomination · 11-05-2008, 02:57 PM

Yeah, it's ridiculous. I'm so tired of religious folks using religion to justify bigotry. Gays should be allowed to marry, not just get civil unions. We've seen this idea of separate but equal before, and it's always ugly.

The argument I hear most is that marriage is a religious institution, and since, yes, Christianity is full of anti homosexual ideologies, it's inappropriate for gays to marry. Well, sure, if you want to hitch your wagon to that star of bigotry then go right ahead, but my counter argument is this: marriage has become secularized. Non religious people get married all of the time. Not only that, but the benefits of marriage, like tax breaks, goes beyond any mere religious rhetoric.

No matter how people spin it, or how apologist they try to be, there are some very backwards ideas in the Bible, that I don't think can rationally be justified. Just as blacks can't help being black, so too can gays not help being gay. Homophobia is equal to racism.

Ironic Mustache · 11-05-2008, 03:02 PM

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so too can gays not help being gay

But you'll often hear the argument that they can help it, but choose to be gay.

Repugnant Abomination · 11-05-2008, 03:05 PM

They're already in the process of discovering that a lot of who were are is genetically pre-determined.

But lets say for arguments sake that they CAN decide to be gay or not. Is there any argument outside of religion that you've heard? "That's disgusting" doesn't count.

I haven't. They base their hate and fear solely on religious convictions, i.e. God says it's bad therefore it's bad.

It's amazing how I can feel so proud of my country, and at the same time embarrassed.

Mr. Blonde · 11-05-2008, 03:06 PM

We have a similar bill in AZ called prop 102 that succeeded too....gay...no pun intended

Orgazmo · 11-05-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

We have a similar bill in AZ called prop 102 that succeeded too....gay...no pun intended

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hfam95 · 11-05-2008, 03:33 PM

Why does government really give a hoot? I like the idea of staying out of people's personal lives. What does this do to all of those who already got married? Can't work as an ex-post facto.

Also saw where Arkansas passed a measure that disallows "unmarried couples" to adopt or act as foster parents. That seems to be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Ironic Mustache · 11-05-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hfam95

Why does government really give a hoot?

I call shennangins. No black dude would ever use that expression.

Mr. Blonde · 11-05-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Orgazmo

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I didn't think you would get it.

11-05-2008, 02:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	I think it's official. California's Proposition 8 to amend the state constitution to ban gay marriages passed. Roughly 54% of the state's population voted not to not give them the right, but to take away their existing right, as protected by the state's constitution. There is some level of illogical hate that I just don't understand here... When you ask people why their against it, the married people will give you their template answers of, "it takes away from the meaning of my marriage." When you ask why or how, the standard is usually, "I don't know, I just don't think it's right." The other side you get are the "this country was built on Chrisitianity" types. Yes well it was also built on slavery, and now a black dude is our president elect. It's just amazing to me that in this day and age we as a society (which California represents a liberal side of) can actually take such a big step forward in the racial equality department, only to outdo ourselves in the hypocrisy department. Why not just come out and say, "Ok, we don't mind that you're black anymore, just don't be gay."
	Creeping around as I please nonchalantly like any other Supreme Emperor might. Last edited by Ironic Mustache; 11-05-2008 at 02:46 PM.

11-05-2008, 03:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	We have a similar bill in AZ called prop 102 that succeeded too....gay...no pun intended
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11-05-2008, 02:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	Yeah, it's ridiculous. I'm so tired of religious folks using religion to justify bigotry. Gays should be allowed to marry, not just get civil unions. We've seen this idea of separate but equal before, and it's always ugly. The argument I hear most is that marriage is a religious institution, and since, yes, Christianity is full of anti homosexual ideologies, it's inappropriate for gays to marry. Well, sure, if you want to hitch your wagon to that star of bigotry then go right ahead, but my counter argument is this: marriage has become secularized. Non religious people get married all of the time. Not only that, but the benefits of marriage, like tax breaks, goes beyond any mere religious rhetoric. No matter how people spin it, or how apologist they try to be, there are some very backwards ideas in the Bible, that I don't think can rationally be justified. Just as blacks can't help being black, so too can gays not help being gay. Homophobia is equal to racism.

11-05-2008, 03:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	They're already in the process of discovering that a lot of who were are is genetically pre-determined. But lets say for arguments sake that they CAN decide to be gay or not. Is there any argument outside of religion that you've heard? "That's disgusting" doesn't count. I haven't. They base their hate and fear solely on religious convictions, i.e. God says it's bad therefore it's bad. It's amazing how I can feel so proud of my country, and at the same time embarrassed.

11-05-2008, 03:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
hfam95 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: VA Posts: 207 Internets: 1129	Why does government really give a hoot? I like the idea of staying out of people's personal lives. What does this do to all of those who already got married? Can't work as an ex-post facto. Also saw where Arkansas passed a measure that disallows "unmarried couples" to adopt or act as foster parents. That seems to be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.