Bush did it again

[malici]

"The terrorists never stop thinking of new ways to hurt our country, and neither do we." President Bush 8/05/04.

[ August 10, 2004, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: malici ]

[DJ FC]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWW!!!!

WHO'S DOWN FOR SOME BARBEQUE!?

[silver and cold]

You spelled again wrong..

[ninjaface]

ignore.

[ August 10, 2004, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: ninjaface ]

[Phildo]

"Actually bush didn't 'Do it again'."

[sparklemotion]

mmmmmm... barbecue.

[blackbirdsjoy]

is this pork or beef?

[Niger Angelus]

Pork you jew, pork.

[Percipere'Chan]

Only in America could you find a populace who think having an executive commander dumber than they are, is a good idea.

He's not that dumb.

I bet over half the nubblites don't have SATs in the 1200s

[underwater]

if victim makes a post concerning SAT scores, i'm gonna shove a crutch up his ass.

*waits*

[The Snide Sniper]

I'll bet over half the nubblites should never hold any form of political office.

[St. Anky]

Sniper, after reading your post, I've come to the conclusion that it makes no sense when read correctly. I think I know what you were trying to say, but fix your wording, or dont get on here high. It saves us all a lot of trouble.

Bush had an SAT of 1200... I say bullshit. The motherfucker doesnt even know what sovereignty means.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by underwater:
if victim makes a post concerning SAT scores, i'm gonna shove a crutch up his ass.

*waits*

Remember when you were a kid and you told someone not to do something knowing full well they would do it anyways (which you wanted them to do in the first place), just to get the attention? I bet underwater does.

Originally posted by St. Anky:
Bush had an SAT of 1200... I say bullshit. The motherfucker doesnt even know what sovereignty means.

Uh-oh...expect some kind of empirical proof from FC here in the near future. He hates being told he's wrong on something he's pretty sure, if not completely right about.





But really, 1200 isnt that much. Granted, its higher than mine, but I know a couple guys here on nubblies who scored higher than that. But this is an argument I don't really want to get into, because its going to turn into something like "The president doesnt have to be a genius to run..." or some stupid shit somebody telling me on the defense as if i was actually on the offense in the first place, which i'm not. I probably won't even end up voting this year, because I don't know shit about politics anyways.

[ September 23, 2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Mr. Blonde ]

[St. Anky]

You really should vote man. Its just stupid not to. Plus, if you vote for Kerry, and Bush ends up winning, at least you can say you tried to stop the end of the world.

[Saint DH]

Yeah, because we all know Kerry is an honest, trust worthy guy. He's the type of guy that you would defintely want to, I dunno, serve in the army with.

Analysis: How smart is Bush?
By Steve Sailer
UPI National Correspondent

Published 1/14/2004 1:12 PM

LOS ANGELES, Jan. 14 (UPI) -- By disdainfully describing George W. Bush's behavior during Cabinet meetings as that of a "blind man in a roomful of deaf people," former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill has reopened the debate over just how smart the president is. Some objective numbers from Bush's past suggest he is reasonably but not exceptionally intelligent, but questions remain about his curiosity and openness to learning.

The New Yorker magazine revealed in 1999 that Bush scored 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test: 566 Verbal, 640 Math. While there is something crass about focusing upon a future president's exam scores, these numbers possess a blunt honesty lacking in much of the carefully contrived folklore about politicians' brains.

Bush's 1206 is a better score than it may seem to younger people because the Educational Testing Service "recentered" (inflated) SAT scoring in the mid-'90s. Bush's score is the equivalent of a 1280 under today's dumbed-down scoring system.

How 1206 does that compare to the general population? The contrast is a little tricky because students who are clearly not college material generally don't take the SAT.

Linda Gottfredson, co-director of the University of Delaware-Johns Hopkins Project for the Study of Intelligence and Society, told United Press International: "I recently converted Bush's SAT score to an IQ using the high school norms available for his age cohort. Educational Testing Service happened to have done a study of representative high school students within a year or so of when he took the test. I derived an IQ of 125, which is the 95th percentile." In other words, only one out of 20 people would score higher.

Another IQ expert, Charles Murray of the American Enterprise Institute, the co-author of the bestseller "The Bell Curve," came up with a similar result when asked by UPI. Noting that everybody except high school dropouts takes the PSAT when they are sophomores, Murray calculated from PSAT scores that "I think you're safe in saying that Dubya's IQ, based on his SAT score, is in excess of 120, which puts him the top 10 percent of the distribution, but I wouldn't try to be more precise than that."

By way of comparison, Bush's 2000 opponent Al Gore scored 134 and 133 the two times he took an IQ test in high school, putting him just under the top 1 percent of the public. Not surprisingly, the former vice president's' SAT scores were also strong but not stratospheric: Verbal 625, Math 730, for a total of 1,355 out of a perfect score of 1,600.

According to historian Thomas C. Reeves, author of "A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy," in prep school JFK scored a 119 on an IQ test. Reeves told UPI, "Kennedy was at no time outstanding in school; spelling was always a problem for him."

Bush's other published scores are from the Air Force officer test he took when he applied to join the Air National Guard. The Dallas Morning News reported on July 4, 1999, that Bush's "score on the pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers."

Gottfredson pointed out, though, that officer applicants are a relatively elite group, so that's much better than the 25th percentile among the whole population. Further, this subtest focused on spatial questions that don't come up regularly in the Oval Office, such as "identifying the angle of a plane in flight ... and figuring out which way a gear in a machine would turn in response to another gear's being turned."

In contrast, the Morning News recounted, "On the 'officer quality section,' designed to measure intangible traits such as leadership, Mr. Bush scored better than 95 percent of those taking the test."

Gottfredson commented, "What do you want in a president -- spatial ability or leadership?"

University of California-Davis psychology professor Dean Keith Simonton has written numerous books using quantitative techniques to assess historical figures, including his 1987 work "Why Presidents Succeed: A Political Psychology of Leadership."

Simonton told UPI, "In raw intellect, Bush is about average" for a president.

Originally posted by Mr. Blonde:

But really, 1200 isnt that much. Granted, its higher than mine, but I know a couple guys here on nubblies who scored higher than that.

Indeed.

[Mr. Blonde]

Don't get too cocky

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Bush's 1206 is a better score than it may seem to younger people because the Educational Testing Service "recentered" (inflated) SAT scoring in the mid-'90s. Bush's score is the equivalent of a 1280 under today's dumbed-down scoring system.

[ September 23, 2004, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Blonde ]

Who are you talking to Mr. Blonde?

Believe me... I had 1280 murdered.

[Beebs]

Id like to see some proof that the SAT was "dumbed down". But I don't have a problem with the president having a lower SAT score than me, regardless of politics. The SAT is just not that important.

[Percipere'Chan]

Whether George Bush scored 120 or 12000 makes no difference. If he has no skill in communication, how could he possible understand the voice of the people.

[victim]

Originally posted by underwater:
if victim makes a post concerning SAT scores, i'm gonna shove a crutch up his ass.

*waits*

I know nothing.

[Beebs]

Originally posted by Percipere'Chan:
Whether George Bush scored 120 or 12000 makes no difference. If he has no skill in communication, how could he possible understand the voice of the people.

Nothing adds to the debate like overstated claims and blanket statements

[victim]

...or unsupported one liners!

[underwater]

Originally posted by victim:
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if victim makes a post concerning SAT scores, i'm gonna shove a crutch up his ass.

*waits*

I know nothing.</font>[/quote][img]smile.gif[/img] you just made my heart happy.