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Freyday · 07-26-2005, 09:07 PM

Recently I was watching PTI on ESPN and they were arguing over which was a better athlete. A freaking horse named Secretariat or Lance Armstrong. Ok i see the connection they both set new records in the sport that they participate in, but if we are comparing Secretariat and Lance Armstrong, shouldn't we be comparing the horse to the bike?

Beebs · 07-26-2005, 09:35 PM

I'd say the jockey is more like the bike.

07-26-2005, 09:51 PM

It's not a fair comparison:

The bicyclist puts up the brains and the muscle.

The horse only puts up the muscle. (Although I suppose a horse could be a nutcase, nevertheless it is the jockeys expertise and the horses conditioning that wins a race). This is assuming that the weight of a jockey is negligable.

I'd imagine that there is little if any advantage to having the most high tech bike, they probably all have the best technology available. So lance gets the win.

Freyday · 07-26-2005, 09:55 PM

I agree and if we are gonna say the horse is the athlete and not the jockey couldn't we then say that Dale Jarrett of Nascar isn't the real winner it's his #88 car. I put the money on the Car. WAY TO GO #88!!!

07-26-2005, 10:28 PM

Well the car is like the bike:

They have very little advantage through equipment, the burden of competition is on the driver/rider.

Unlike the horse:

A horse can be fast or slow, and the burden of performance is indeed on the horse.

Ironic Mustache · 07-27-2005, 12:25 PM

*couch*steroids*cough*

malice · 07-27-2005, 01:33 PM

Id run as fast as I could if I had a migite (or wayne) on my back smacking me with a stick.

Ironic Mustache · 07-27-2005, 01:46 PM

Now I am going to smack you with a stick because you said that.

malice · 07-27-2005, 01:52 PM

Dont make me call that little boy to set you straight.

Ironic Mustache · 07-27-2005, 02:13 PM

Shit... My only weakness exposed! The crushing iron palm of an 8 year old!

Beebs · 07-27-2005, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironic Mustache:
*couch*steroids*cough*

EPO isn't really a "steroid"

Ironic Mustache · 07-27-2005, 02:28 PM

I just like badmouthing lance armstrong... It pisses people off faster than badmouthing jesus.

Deadly Crescent Kick · 07-27-2005, 02:29 PM

you are correct.

but the fact that you inject it, and it significatly increases your O2 intake makes the whole arguement semantics for the purposes of this discussion.

Freyday · 07-27-2005, 03:17 PM

Yes, but EPO is injected in Armstrong to promote a higher production of red blood cells. They did tests on him to see if he might be abusing the drug, giving him an advantage. Are there tests ran on the horses to make sure they aren't in the stalls shooting up?

07-27-2005, 03:27 PM

Yes, and greyhounds are also tested.

Freyday · 07-27-2005, 03:46 PM

well, that's good. After Barry Bonds, and Jason Giambi (who apparently own horses) came out and said that they were on steroids I always wondered how their horses always won so many races. Now I can put my mind at ease knowing that their horses win because they're good, not cuz they're small nut juicers.

Knowledge is Power.

Beebs · 07-27-2005, 09:24 PM

Doping is present, if not prevelant in all major sports including cycling, if Armstrong was doping it probably wasn't any more than the other top contendors.

Horse and dog racing have both had sordid history with all sorts of doping, including several cases of giving dogs cocaine. Of course, who's to say that the dogs didn't just like to blow lines now and then.

[ July 27, 2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Beebs ]

Freyday · 07-28-2005, 01:56 AM

Yes, but how would dogs no good blow from bad, they like the taste of their own balls.

Beebs · 07-28-2005, 02:22 PM

Heightened sense of smell I imagine.

theMerciless1 · 07-28-2005, 02:29 PM

one time i was shrooming in my backyard and pukes and my dog ate it. it did not make a significant difference in his athletic performance.

Ironic Mustache · 07-28-2005, 02:46 PM

Quite the contrary to the effects of puke consumption in humans. At least in my experience anyway...

vaga1220 * · 07-28-2005, 04:00 PM

Hey Deadly Crescent Kick, hook me up with some EPO would ya.

Orgazmo · 07-28-2005, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ironic Mustache:
I just like badmouthing lance armstrong... It pisses people off faster than badmouthing jesus.

I've definitely noticed this as well.

I hope he gets cancer again.

MAGICLIT · 07-28-2005, 06:50 PM

*shocked and appalled

Ironic Mustache · 07-28-2005, 07:34 PM

I started a whole thread in a different forum about why I think he sucks and that they find out "live strong" bracelets give you wrist cancer.

It was fantastic. I'm going to start marketing black bracelets called "who fuckining cares" bracelets for those who support apathy.

07-26-2005, 09:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Freyday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bloomington Posts: 16 Internets: 10	Recently I was watching PTI on ESPN and they were arguing over which was a better athlete. A freaking horse named Secretariat or Lance Armstrong. Ok i see the connection they both set new records in the sport that they participate in, but if we are comparing Secretariat and Lance Armstrong, shouldn't we be comparing the horse to the bike?
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07-26-2005, 09:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a	It's not a fair comparison: The bicyclist puts up the brains and the muscle. The horse only puts up the muscle. (Although I suppose a horse could be a nutcase, nevertheless it is the jockeys expertise and the horses conditioning that wins a race). This is assuming that the weight of a jockey is negligable. I'd imagine that there is little if any advantage to having the most high tech bike, they probably all have the best technology available. So lance gets the win.
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07-26-2005, 09:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Freyday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bloomington Posts: 16 Internets: 10	I agree and if we are gonna say the horse is the athlete and not the jockey couldn't we then say that Dale Jarrett of Nascar isn't the real winner it's his #88 car. I put the money on the Car. WAY TO GO #88!!!
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07-26-2005, 10:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a	Well the car is like the bike: They have very little advantage through equipment, the burden of competition is on the driver/rider. Unlike the horse: A horse can be fast or slow, and the burden of performance is indeed on the horse.
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a

07-27-2005, 12:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
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07-26-2005, 09:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	I'd say the jockey is more like the bike.

07-27-2005, 01:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
malice Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bustleton Ave. Philadelphia, PA. Posts: 648 Internets: 10	Id run as fast as I could if I had a migite (or wayne) on my back smacking me with a stick.

07-27-2005, 01:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	Now I am going to smack you with a stick because you said that.
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07-27-2005, 01:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
malice Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bustleton Ave. Philadelphia, PA. Posts: 648 Internets: 10	Dont make me call that little boy to set you straight.

07-27-2005, 02:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	Shit... My only weakness exposed! The crushing iron palm of an 8 year old!
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07-27-2005, 02:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	I just like badmouthing lance armstrong... It pisses people off faster than badmouthing jesus.
	Creeping around as I please nonchalantly like any other Supreme Emperor might.

07-27-2005, 02:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Deadly Crescent Kick NJ, Toilet Bowl of USA Join Date: May 2005 Location: secret ninja lair Posts: 1,106 Internets: 10	you are correct. but the fact that you inject it, and it significatly increases your O2 intake makes the whole arguement semantics for the purposes of this discussion.
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07-27-2005, 03:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Freyday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bloomington Posts: 16 Internets: 10	Yes, but EPO is injected in Armstrong to promote a higher production of red blood cells. They did tests on him to see if he might be abusing the drug, giving him an advantage. Are there tests ran on the horses to make sure they aren't in the stalls shooting up?
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07-27-2005, 03:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a	Yes, and greyhounds are also tested.
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a

07-27-2005, 03:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
Freyday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bloomington Posts: 16 Internets: 10	well, that's good. After Barry Bonds, and Jason Giambi (who apparently own horses) came out and said that they were on steroids I always wondered how their horses always won so many races. Now I can put my mind at ease knowing that their horses win because they're good, not cuz they're small nut juicers. Knowledge is Power.
	Yeah I did it! And I'll do it again!!!!

07-27-2005, 09:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Doping is present, if not prevelant in all major sports including cycling, if Armstrong was doping it probably wasn't any more than the other top contendors. Horse and dog racing have both had sordid history with all sorts of doping, including several cases of giving dogs cocaine. Of course, who's to say that the dogs didn't just like to blow lines now and then. [ July 27, 2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Beebs ]

07-28-2005, 01:56 AM	#18 (permalink)
Freyday Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bloomington Posts: 16 Internets: 10	Yes, but how would dogs no good blow from bad, they like the taste of their own balls.
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07-28-2005, 02:22 PM	#19 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Heightened sense of smell I imagine.

07-28-2005, 02:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
theMerciless1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: ming\'s palace Posts: 1,495 Internets: 412	one time i was shrooming in my backyard and pukes and my dog ate it. it did not make a significant difference in his athletic performance.
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07-28-2005, 02:46 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	Quite the contrary to the effects of puke consumption in humans. At least in my experience anyway...
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07-28-2005, 04:00 PM	#22 (permalink)
vaga1220 * *Dislikes ham Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: HELL 666 Posts: 1,518 Internets: 60790	Hey Deadly Crescent Kick, hook me up with some EPO would ya.
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07-28-2005, 06:50 PM	#24 (permalink)
MAGICLIT Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: city of sin Posts: 2,753 Internets: 10	*shocked and appalled
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07-28-2005, 07:34 PM	#25 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	I started a whole thread in a different forum about why I think he sucks and that they find out "live strong" bracelets give you wrist cancer. It was fantastic. I'm going to start marketing black bracelets called "who fuckining cares" bracelets for those who support apathy.
	Creeping around as I please nonchalantly like any other Supreme Emperor might.