Mike Davis?

[buckeye]

Any truth to the rumors he is probably on his way out unless he finishes out the season better?

[j money]

If Mike Davis isn't fired I believe he will resign..just today in class a professor was talking shit about him and a couple students started yelling "fire Mike Davis" and "Davis needs to go." Davis agrees that he is not the right coach for IU saying "Indiana needs to have one of their own. They need to have somebody that's played here so they can embrace him.” http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2329528
Personally everybody I know wants him out of Bloomington.
http://www.firemikedavis.com/

[SittinOnDubsWGW]

I agree, I see him gone after this year one way or the other.

[buckeye]

Regardless? What if he finishes out the season decently? From my perspective it seems as though he's getting too much heat for his team not performing when injuries is ultimately what seems to be holding back the Hoosiers.

Injuries?

Our team without DJ White is still a powder keg of talent, they proved that they have the raw ability to compete with teams like Duke, and take on Kentucky at Indy.

But the slump at the end of the season is all too familiar, 2 years ago was the same thing, we were ranked then didn't even make the NCAA tournament. Davis's teams have plenty of athletic ability, and play well at the beginning of season (and of games), but they aren't well coached and fall apart. They can't win big games, and they cant get it together late in the season.


Edit: our team is also EXTREMELY deep. Killingsworth, Wilmont, Strickland, Vaden, Ben Allen, Sean Kline, Ratliff, Suhr, Lewis Monroe, and Earl Calloway are all good enough to start.

[Ugly Bastard]

Blah blah blah... still with the optimistic bullshit. Throw in the towel already. They suck.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Blah blah blah... still with the optimistic bullshit. Throw in the towel already. They suck.

seconded

Bloomington doesn't care about black coaches.

Who's being optimistic?

Our team can't fucking win.

[buckeye]

So how do you Hoosier fans explain the 2002 run? I guess while it seems IU has received their fair share of talented recruits, it doesn’t appear(although I’m far from an expert so take this as inquisitive) a lot of the players have made it to the NBA. Which from my perspective either means some of these guys are duds, or like some of you claim, he cant develop his players. Although it 2002 would provide a fine example of what appears to be good player development.

Also basketball experts, who do you think wins the Big Ten?

[Schroeder]

Where's BDH or Shaw when you need them?

[BigDongedHoe]

As far as what has transpired with Mike Davis I think that there are many to blame...mostly himself. The man was setup to fail no matter what, nobody wanted him as head coach to start with and even after the run in 2002 people were still unhappy. Where the IU/Mike Davis saga turned for the worst was in 2003. I believe we were 8-0 and #5 or #6 in the nation. It was Bracey Wright's freshman year we had just come off an OT victory against Maryland (the defending national champion). We were playing Kentucky and down 3 I think with 10 secs. to go, Bracey drives in and gets what looked like a foul but isn't called. Davis runs on the court gets a technical and ruins the game for IU. Ever since that moment IU has never been the same.

I don't think Davis was qualified to take over a head coaching job when he did let alone one as prestigious as Indiana University or any other top 6 program for that matter. People were bitter about Bobby Knight and fans treated davis like shit in his whole tenure. I am ready for davis to go and will welcome a new coach next year but I don't believe it is all entirely Mike Davis' fault.

As far as buckeyes questions did the loss of DJ White hurt? Undoubtedly it took IU out of the running for a Big10 championship and possible deep run in the tournament. Did it make or break the season? abosolutely not. If we were good enough to get to number 11 in the country and nearly knock off #1 Duke and go 12-3 without DJ (albeit he was there in some capacity for a while) then there is no way in hell we can't be better than the 13-8 we are now and I blame that solely on davis. He is just to emotional, to sensitive, and to underexperienced for this job.

Iowa should and probably will win the Big10 this year. They have the easiest remaining schedule left with only 1 tough game on the road (@illinois). They are undefeated at home this year and look to be playing good ball with a senior lead team.

Davis will finish out the rest of the year per his latest quotes and then at that point he will resign. As far as who will potentially coach IU next year look to Thad Matta at Ohio State (my first choice) who would then probably bring along Mike Conley and Greg Oden. Matta had an out clause in his contract at Xavier if the Indiana University job opened and actually had that same clause in his contract at Ohio State. He has since re-negotiated his contract but has said in the past that IU is his "dream job". Honestly how could you want to coach at Ohio State over IU. Ohio State basketball is cared about as much as IU football and vice versa. OSU=football school always has been and always will and IU=Basketball school again always has been and always will.

Next you gotta look at Steve Alford. The man is a legend in the IU history books and is a former RMK player. He would be embraced at IU and if he could restore the program to glory you can believe he'd go down as one of the most recognized figures in the history of Indiana athletics. Not only that (not to be racist) but the guy recruits white guys with high B-ball IQ's that get the most out of there talent. Sound like somebody who recently coached at IU? He would make many alumni happy however I would not want Alford because he hasn't really done anything at Iowa up until this year.

There are a slew of other coaches that could be potential canidates but I'd look at those two as the two that will be in the running first and foremost. After that you can bet there will be a dozen or more high profile coaches drooling at the IU job.

Updated: Feb. 16, 2006, 12:39 AM ET
Source: Indiana's Davis to step down after season


Indiana University men's basketball coach Mike Davis is expected to announce at a Thursday news conference that he is stepping down at the end of the season, a source close to Davis told ESPN.com's Pat Forde.
The source said that Davis worked out terms of a buyout with school president Adam Herbert this week.


Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images
Davis' Hoosiers got off to a fast start this year, but the team has struggled in recent weeks.



"A lot of people have said this before," Indiana athletic director Rick Greenspan told ESPN.com's Andy Katz when asked about reports of Davis' departure after the season.
ESPN.com talked to Davis on Tuesday and he said he did not know what was going to happen.
After Penn State beat the Hoosiers 71-68 on Wednesday night, the embattled Davis sidestepped questions about his future.
"I'm not answering anything about my job," Davis said in a low, raspy voice after a reporter asked him about reports he would resign.
"If I say something, I say the wrong thing," Davis said, whose team lost for the sixth time in seven games. "I just need to keep my mouth shut and focus on my basketball team."
The attention was squarely on Davis in his first game back on the bench after missing a game with flu-like symptoms amid rampant speculation about his job security. Indiana (13-9, 5-6) fell out of the Top 25 this week for the first time this season.
The slide has caused unrest among a vocal contingent of Hoosier fans calling for Davis' ouster.
Roderick Wilmont said Davis didn't address the speculation to the team in the locker room, and the rumors about the coach's job weren't a distraction for the Hoosiers.
"I don't know. I don't know what's going on," Wilmont said on his way out of the Bryce Jordan Center. "I'm here to play."
Davis, who is in his sixth season since replacing Bob Knight, coached Indiana to the NCAA title game in 2002.
Before the game, Davis sat in a chair in a hallway leading to the court and in front of the media room for at least 20 minutes.
In a low voice, he declined to answer questions about the recent drama over his coaching status.
He spent a lot of the first half of the Penn State game on the bench with his hand on his chin, but was pacing the sidelines and was more animated after halftime.
When asked Monday by reporters to explain why Indiana fans have been reluctant to fully embrace him, the coach suggested it was because he wasn't a graduate of the school.
Davis then tried to quiet speculation on Tuesday by saying he had no plans to quit this season. He also said that his job status had become too big a distraction as the Hoosiers prepare for the final weeks of the regular season.
It doesn't get easier for Indiana, which is at Illinois (No. 13 ESPN/USA Today; No. 14 AP) on Sunday.
Davis said he wasn't concerned about the job speculation and was focusing on his squad.
"These guys are going to be fine," he said. "They are hurting in the locker room because we lost the game. But I'm glad to see them hurt. I'm glad to see them show some emotion. … I see a lot of positives out of it."
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

[Schroeder]

Well, I hope some of your players decide to follow him wherever he goes.

Thad Matta would be an idiot to take this job. He said it was his dream job, but the key fact is that he said that IN THE PAST. Why would he give a Big Ten champion caliber team next year to come to a very high-stress IU coaching job? Also, I could be wrong on this, but wouldn't that mean Greg Oden would have to sit out a season? For a kid that's only expected to play a year of college ball anyways, that's asking an awful lot of him.

Poor Steve Alford is screwed. If he doesn't take that job opening, you'll all turn your backs on him. If he does take the job opening, then he has little to work with, as Davis hurt your in-state recruiting, and since you'll lose Wilmont, Strickland, Monroe, and Killingsworth, not to mention that D.J. White could declare for the draft.

This year could have been big for you guys, but not anymore. There is always football season.

Something makes me think we'll get at least 1 year out of DJ White, everybody knows he's good, but he's still relatively unproven and he'll make more money if he shows what he can really do on a consistent basis.

Why are we losing Wilmont?

[f3lix]

Not one player from the undefeated IU team (which was the last D1 mens team to go undefeated) was drafted.

[Schroeder]

Roderick Wilmont is a senior. (at least according to an espn article I read)

Oh, and about White: Espn.com reported today that if he leaves, D.J. White and Robert Vaden are likely to leave, as well.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/column...ndy&id=2332411

Wilmont is not a senior.

[Beebs]

I wonder if the same idiot haters of Notre Dame will bitch nonstop about IU fireing a black coach who did good his first season, hire a white alumni who is a hands fucking down better coach, and give him a better deal. I'm looking right at you BDH, Mr. "An african american Willingham goes 8-0 and nothing happens.

A caucasian Charlie Weis goes 5-2 and the sky is falling, the planets are aligning, Notre Dame will dominate college football for the next century, and he gets a contract extension." Care to explain this now?

Beebs am not seeing the point:

Tyrone was fired for being black
Mike Davis is being fired for being a nigger.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

white > black

[angry pancake]

Originally Posted by f3lix

Not one player from the undefeated IU team (which was the last D1 mens team to go undefeated) was drafted.

Except for Benson, May, Buckner, and Wilkerson who were all top ten picks.

Radford and Abernathy were also picked in the second or third rounds.

NBA Draft had something like 15 rounds back then.


1976 NBA Draft

Click on the Player for career statistics and accomplishments, if available.
Click on the Team to see a list of players drafted by that franchise.
Click on the College to see a list of players drafted from that college.
Round 1
Pick Team Player College
1. Houston Rockets John Lucas University of Maryland
2. Chicago Bulls Scott May Indiana University
3. Kansas City Kings Richard Washington University of California, Los Angeles
4. Detroit Pistons Leon Douglas University of Alabama
5. Portland Trail Blazers Wally Walker University of Virginia
6. Buffalo Braves Adrian Dantley University of Notre Dame
7. Milwaukee Bucks Quinn Buckner Indiana University
8. Golden State Warriors Robert Parish Centenary College of Louisiana
9. Atlanta Hawks Armond Hill Princeton University
10. Phoenix Suns Ron Lee University of Oregon
11. Seattle Supersonics Bob Wilkerson Indiana University
12. Philadelphia 76ers Terry Furlow Michigan State University
13. Washington Bullets Mitch Kupchak University of North Carolina
14. Washington Bullets Larry Wright Grambling State University
15. Cleveland Cavaliers Chuckie Williams Kansas State University
16. Boston Celtics Norm Cook University of Kansas
17. Golden State Warriors Sonny Parker Texas A&M University
Round 2
Pick Team Player College
1. Chicago Bulls Willie Smith University of Missouri
2. Seattle Supersonics Bayard Forrest Grand Canyon University
3. Portland Trail Blazers Major Jones Albany State University
4. Los Angeles Lakers Earl Tatum Marquette University
5. Portland Trail Blazers Johnny Davis University of Dayton
6. Milwaukee Bucks Alex English University of South Carolina
7. Milwaukee Bucks Scott Lloyd Arizona State University
8. New York Knickerbockers Lonnie Shelton Oregon State University
9. New Orleans Jazz Jacky Dorsey University of Georgia
10. Houston Rockets Phil Hicks Tulane University
11. Atlanta Hawks Bob Carrington Boston College
12. Seattle Supersonics Dennis Johnson Pepperdine University
13. Phoenix Suns Al Fleming University of Arizona
14. Washington Bullets Joe Pace Coppin State University
15. Cleveland Cavaliers Mo Howard University of Maryland
16. Phoenix Suns Butch Feher Vanderbilt University
17. Golden State Warriors Marshall Rogers University of Texas-Pan American
Round 3
Pick Team Player College
1. Chicago Bulls Dallas Smith West Texas A&M University
2. Los Angeles Lakers Mike Dabney Rutgers University
3. Chicago Bulls Lars Hansen University of Washington
4. Detroit Pistons Phil Sellers Rutgers University
5. Portland Trail Blazers Jeff Tyson Western Michigan University
6. Milwaukee Bucks Lloyd Walton Marquette University
7. New York Knickerbockers John McGill Alcorn State University
8. New Orleans Jazz Steve Copp San Diego State University
9. Los Angeles Lakers Tom Abernethy Indiana University
10. Houston Rockets Barnes Hauptfuhrer Princeton University
11. Phoenix Suns Ira Terrell Southern Methodist University
12. Atlanta Hawks Larry Cooke Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
13. Philadelphia 76ers Ron Norwood DePaul University
14. Buffalo Braves Gary Brewster University of Texas at El Paso
15. Washington Bullets Bill Cook University of Memphis
16. Cleveland Cavaliers Gary Cole University of Wisconsin-Parkside
17. Boston Celtics Jerry Fort University of Nebraska

F3lix just got:

[Schroeder]

I think what Felix meant to say is that not one player from that team was recruited. (Right?)

[BigDongedHoe]

I wish I could of grabbed f3lix's post before angry pancake did. I think that everybody is starting to learn how full of shit f3lix really is.

Schroeder, lets play role reversal. Indiana Football is dominating and has the #1 recruiting class in the nation coming in along with a Big10 championship caliber team on the way in the following year. The Ohio State University football head coaching position comes open and although they have been down the past few years, are still able to recruit with the best and recognized as one of the greatest college football teams of all time. Would you leave your Indiana Football job for The Ohio State University football job??? I think so. Its the same reason that Roy Williams left Kansas for UNC, he was a legend and had an amazing team with an amazing recruiting class but frankly he found something more prestigious.

Go to a basketball game at Ohio State, hell just watch one on TV....its as full of emotion as a church service.

Also Conley nor Oden would have to sit out a year. Usually every team will grant releases from their LOI if there is a coaching change.

Also about Vaden and D.J. I would wait things out. For those of you fair weather fans (or ones that just don't care) right after Bob Knight was fired Dane Fife along with a couple other plays from the team announced that they would probably leave IU and were completely loyal to Coach Knight, Fife moreso than anyone was adiment(sp?) about this. Wait till emotions calm a little bit and see what people say then, I really can't imagine that D.J. White would risk his nba draft status and potential by sitting out yet another year.

If players stay (which is a big if):

A starting lineup of:
1 - Earl Calloway
2 - A.J. Ratliff/Roderick Wilmont
3 - Robert Vaden
4 - Ben Allen
5 - D.J. White

that doesn't really look to bad for a potential coach to come into now does it?

My top 3 coaching choices as of right now go in this order:
1. Thad Matta - Ohio State
2. Rick Barnes - Texas
3. Tom Crean - Marquette (possibly could bring Dominic James along with him)

[buckeye]

Great posts BDH.

I agree on two accounts.

1. IU is definitely a better coaching destination.

2. Ohio States game atmosphere sucks. It pisses me off how our AD handles it. Student ticket prices are ridiculous, and most the students are placed in the upper part of the Schott. It’s mainly due to alumni pressure to retain their seats, but also because of the extra money they can get out of their alumni tickets.

While it’s fairly easy for players to transfer schools, with a coaching change its different if they are incoming freshmen. In Oden and Conley’s case the rules apply differently since they haven’t played more than half a year at OSU after signing their LOI, if they were to transfer it would be minimum one year penalty with a three year being the maximum.