Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

[Beebs]

My guess is as good as anybody elses here, my bet is the tape didnt show anything worthwhile, so it got discarded or some such.

[Ugly Bastard]

Riiight.

[Ugly Bastard]

The link you posted earlier of the explosion at the Pentagon. It stands to make sense that a frame or two before that, you would see a 757 zooming across the lawn just before impact, right? It doesn't bother you at all that there is no publicly accessable image of the frame where it shows the plane just before impact?

[Heaven Can Wait]

Which proves that the 9/11 story is a hoax?

Schroeder is right here, whatever happened, you have no way of finding out without the government, and they can take you down any path they wish.

Edit : Beebs your dug your grave with your last post

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by Heaven Can Wait

Which proves that the 9/11 story is a hoax?

Absolutely not. For the record, I'm not trying to say that the lack of visual documentation proving a 757 hit the Pentagon instantly means that the whole thing was a government set-up. I'm simply asking questions about things that seem a little out-of-place to me. One of those things is no video released of a 757 hitting the Pentagon, even though there are supposedly videos that were confiscated which would have captured the crash.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Heaven Can Wait

Which proves that the 9/11 story is a hoax?

Schroeder is right here, whatever happened, you have no way of finding out without the government, and they can take you down any path they wish.

Edit : Beebs your dug your grave with your last post

I dug my own grave by saying I don't know what possibly happened with one video? I think that helps my case by saying that I'm not just blindly hating on anything UB says.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

The link you posted earlier of the explosion at the Pentagon. It stands to make sense that a frame or two before that, you would see a 757 zooming across the lawn just before impact, right? It doesn't bother you at all that there is no publicly accessable image of the frame where it shows the plane just before impact?

Cameras can only take so many frames per second, this was not a high speed camera, this was not even a normal camera, this was a security camera with a lower than usual framerate, it is just a matter of probability that an object moving as fast as a 757 pass between the frames of the limited view of a low speed camera.

[Ugly Bastard]

Beebs, watch this video. It's really like a 5 minute long flash presentation. I want to see what you think of it.

But before you come back here telling me how stupid that video is, let me say that I am fully aware it is pretty lame and lacks much credibility. I just want to see if you think it makes any good points, that's all. Please watch it.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

The link you posted earlier of the explosion at the Pentagon. It stands to make sense that a frame or two before that, you would see a 757 zooming across the lawn just before impact, right? It doesn't bother you at all that there is no publicly accessable image of the frame where it shows the plane just before impact?

Are you saying there is a frame that shows the plane just before impact and that frame is being held from the public by the government?

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by Beebs

Are you saying there is a frame that shows the plane just before impact and that frame is being held from the public by the government?

I'm saying it seems extremely possible that there should be a frame that shows...

[Heaven Can Wait]

Well, if there was tapes (which im sticking with a 50/50 on due to the amount of bullshit that is created on subjects such as these) then there will be a reason why they are not released that, in a general term, will severely affect the government as it is.

[SittinOnDubsWGW]

Originally Posted by Beebs

Are you saying there is a frame that shows the plane just before impact and that frame is being held from the public by the government?

In a way, yes. Footage from all of the other places *might/should* have frames of the plane coming in. These were supposedly confiscated and not able to be released.

I'm not really one to believe that our government is behind the whole conspiracy so to speak, but I do not think a lot of the information that has been given to us adds up.

[Beebs]

Well first off all that damn thing is a flash, goes way to fast, and doesn't let you rewind to retain any of the information. The one thing off the top of my head that was on screen long enough to make a point was the "can 757's poke neat holes in walls" the answer seems to be an obvious yes, that was shaped like an airplane fuselage if the wings had broken off, or if only the front part of the plane had made it that far.

Another obvious distortion of the fact is they show "pictures of intact windows" and similar things, but in an area where the plane didn't hit.

Basically the whole thing is a cute presentation that only raises one valid point, the confiscated videos, the rest is taken apart methodically on several websites such as
http://www.montalk.net/pentagon.html

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

I'm saying it seems extremely possible that there should be a frame that shows...

On that camera, with that framerate?

Even the God-damned conspiracy theorists believe that a 757 hit the pentagon:

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html

[Beebs]

Thank you, that again raises the thing these fucking flash videos miss, 3 planes actually took off, and did not land, and have no survivors, where the fuck did "plane that was actually a missle or smaller plane" go?

[Heaven Can Wait]

Aliens stole them, Duh.

[SittinOnDubsWGW]

Originally Posted by DJ FC

Even the God-damned conspiracy theorists believe that a 757 hit the pentagon:

Very good post FC, I had never seen that particular reference before and that is good info.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by Beebs

Thank you, that again raises the thing these fucking flash videos miss, 3 planes actually took off, and did not land, and have no survivors, where the fuck did "plane that was actually a missle or smaller plane" go?

The people who made the video

Loose Change

Loose Change

have a theory on that. Albeit extremely far-fetched IMO.

[ProfessorNumber]

In other recent news:

Experts Claim Ninjaface is a moron if he actually believes that conspiracy horshit. We're still waiting on the results of the tests, but we're pretty sure they will return positive for Fucking-Retardedness.

[ninjaface]

I didn't see UB's post until just now, which is odd because I just got done watching

Loose Change 2nd Edition

Loose Change 2nd Edition

. This video points out HUGE financial gains involving the WTC, comparisons between similarly constructed buildings that have burned longer (up to 24 hours) and over more floors than the WTC and still stand to this day and many more interesting points.

One thing I've noticed though... People that won't even give these theories a chance are quick to be assholes about them. Why is that? I'm sure many of you will be quick to say that "They are just stupid and so are you etc."
I think you come to such quick defense of what you've been told by the government because it is so mentally uncomfortable to consider, even for a second, that not everything they've said is true. If you don't like the ideas presented here, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO WATCH MTV. These sort of ideas are being presented to you, so you have the option of not watching them. So if you have nothing constructive to add, go fuck yourself.

Most smart people can smell a terrible argument from a mile away. The anger is mostly frustration.

[Ugly Bastard]

To me, the anger seems like a political bias under attack being masked as "frustration at illogical arguements". But I'm not a "smart person", so what do I know?

There are too many decent points made by both sides of this arguement for anyone to be 100% convinced one way or the other. Anyone convinced beyond 99.9% probably has some extreme political beliefs which is keeping them from admitting that this thing it at least a little tiny bit shady or a little tiny bit too unlikely to be a full-blown conspiracy.

[ur my bitch]

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

I personally saw this United Arilines plane crash into teh building. I was ther about 4 blocks away, watching the fire from the first crash, when United crashed into the second building.

[f3lix]

Originally Posted by ur my bitch

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

I personally saw this United Arilines plane crash into teh building. I was ther about 4 blocks away, watching the fire from the first crash, when United crashed into the second building.

Reread what you quoted ur my bitch.