Suicide on Stage

[silver and cold]

And what if you don't belive in a god?
If I didn't, I'd sure as hell not want people telling me YOUR god, is MY god, and EVERYONES god. I'd tell them to shut the fuck up.

[Schroeder]

Just because you don't believe in something does not deny its existence.

[StabMaster Arson]

Scrote, do I deny the god you worship? yes.
Fuck you and your complete inability to see anything from any point of view but the one you have been conditioned to see.

[ September 28, 2003, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: StabMaster Arson ]

[Schroeder]

Aw, but that's one of my strong points.

[StabMaster Arson]

Scrote, you don't need that, you still have your tendency to try to pass off opinion as fact.

[Pliedes]

There is nothing to fight over.

God is dead. The Butcher killed him for looking at him the wrong way.

[the_butcher]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
The Butcher killed him for looking at him the wrong way...

...and I'll fucking kill you too Schroeder, if you don't shut the fuck up about issues that you can't explain without bringing your religion into it. Religious issues cannot be used in arguments for one simple reason. Because they aren't fact. You can't prove that your god is the right one, because you can't fucking prove he even exists. So keep your fabricated myths out of this conversation.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Just because you don't believe in something does not deny its existence.

Just because you believe something exists, that doesn't mean that it does. You know what your problem is, Scrotum? You believe and hold onto stories that you were told were true, but yet you have no evidence of them being valid. I could just as much prove that grass is purple as you could that your god is real. Fuck you.

As for being dignified, wasting your life away as nothing is not a dignified way to die. That's a miserable, pathetic way to die. Dignified is going down with a ship that's sinking. You know why? Because you know you're going to die, it's suicide. If you know the boat is sinking and you know you'll die if you stay on it, and you stay...that's suicide. And that, you ignorant piece of shit, is dignified.

[ September 28, 2003, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: the_butcher ]

[Jesus Chrystler]

word.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by the_butcher:
You can't prove that your god is the right one, because you can't fucking prove he even exists.

Wrong. All the proof I need that there is a God is my existence. I am something. Something can not come from nothing (try it, you'll see). At some point far in the past, though, something did have to come from nothing. Since humans are not capable of doing this, some all-mighty being must exist.

Dignified is going down with a ship that's sinking.

Giving up your life for a material object is probably one of the least dignified and stupid things you could ever do. The captain of the ship would be better off to get off the boat and seek recompense for his actions. The captain killing himself is just another cowardly way of running from his problems.

[Osiris]

Since when is suicide by a terminally ill patient cowardly? They just want to end the suffering.

How about this, Schroeder. When you need open heart surgery, refuse the anastetic, because using pain killing drugs would be the wussy way.

I hope you suffer from a horrible disease which will slowly kill you over a period of years.

[Schroeder]

Even if that does happen, I'd never even consider killing myself.

Each day of everyone's life is a gift, regardless of what condition they are in through that day. I'd never give even one day up.

[Osiris]

Of course you're not a terminally ill person, are you?

I have no desire to kill myself either, but I'm perfectly healthy.

Now let's take someone who's horribly ill and each day is terrible, unbearable suffering; they want to die. They're in the situation, they can actually give a opinion worth something.

[Schroeder]

My opinion is as worthwhile as anyone's. Whether I actually know what that is like is of no concern. On my honor I would not go out early just to escape some pain. Nothing could hurt worse than knowing I had given up. Nothing!

[Deep Kick]

I'm a fucking christian, and I'll fucking tell you why: Because of a lifelong blind belief. That's what Christianity is fucking based upon; blind belief. In my mind I feel that God is real because of events that take place. Because I can not rationalize away the incredibility of those events, I must turn to another alternative, otherwise known as God. Also, I can not fathom nothingness, and anyone who claims they can is a fucking fuckface. Because I can not imagine the bleekness and impossibleness of nothingness, I believe in Heaven.

Trying to defend Christianity is fucking impossible, because logic is not on its side.

Schroeder: Your logic is terrible, and If I didn't already believe in God, your arguments would make me HATE Christianity. And, for the record, your opinion is not as worthwhile as anyones.

[ September 29, 2003, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: Deep Kick ]

[Alpha]

So, Deep Kick... You're point would be? Oh yes here it would be.

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
I love to post without any reason in mind but to waste everyone's time, I also love the cock.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
Because of a lifelong blind belief. That's what Christianity is fucking based upon; blind belief.

I usually refer to it as faith. That is what is so great about Christianity. I don't have to understand everything about the world. I don't have to wonder about what I should do next with my life. I just have faith that everything will turn out allright, and if I have faith, everything will indeed turn out okay.

Even if someone could prove to me that there is no God whatsoever, and that my actions good or bad would have no consequence, I wouldn't change a thing about the way I live my life. Christianity has made me a better person whether or not I can prove it is logical or not. Being logical has never been a trait of any religion, however.

[Deep Kick]

I must admit, the above post by Schroeder is probably one of the most intelligent posts I have ever read on an internet forum. But fuck you anyway.

[Schroeder]

Thanks, Mr. Kick. Do you know how many times people on Nubblies have said I've had an intelligent post? Counting this one, one.

[ September 29, 2003, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Schroeder ]

[Titan]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
I just have faith that everything will turn out allright, and if I have faith, everything will indeed turn out okay.

How on Earth do you know that?

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Even if someone could prove to me that there is no God whatsoever, and that my actions good or bad would have no consequence, I wouldn't change a thing about the way I live my life. Christianity has made me a better person whether or not I can prove it is logical or not. Being logical has never been a trait of any religion, however.

Being compassionate and logical and relying on common sense has done for me what Christianity has done for you. Isn't it phantasmagorical that we're all different? Fuckin' A.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Thanks, Mr. Kick. Do you know how many times people on Nubblies have said I've had an intelligent post? Counting this one, one.

Hey, I've complimented one, maybe two of your posts. That ain't bad.

[ September 29, 2003, 11:28 PM: Message edited by: Titan ]

[the_butcher]

Schroeder, when will you pull your fucking head out of your ass and realize that what you believe doesn't mean shit to anybody. Your way of belief is the way you choose to fuck your life up, so move on and do your thing.

Deep Kick, kinda hypocritical to be using the F-word in a post where you proclaim to be a profound Christian, eh? Fuck you.

As for a captain going down with the ship, that's not for a fucking materical object. He's not doing it because he loves his ship and doesn't want to leave it, he's doing it because it's fucking honorable. It's dignified.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Titan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Schroeder:
I just have faith that everything will turn out allright, and if I have faith, everything will indeed turn out okay.

How on Earth do you know that?</font>[/quote]That's faith. If something doesn't seem like it's going my way that's just the cards fate has dealt me. I'll make lemonade out of lemons and come out on top.

Originally posted by Titan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Schroeder:
Even if someone could prove to me that there is no God whatsoever, and that my actions good or bad would have no consequence, I wouldn't change a thing about the way I live my life. Christianity has made me a better person whether or not I can prove it is logical or not. Being logical has never been a trait of any religion, however.

Being compassionate and logical and relying on common sense has done for me what Christianity has done for you. Isn't it phantasmagorical that we're all different? Fuckin' A.</font>[/quote]Ah, Titan, Christianity can do so much more than that for you or anyone.

Originally posted by the_butcher:
Schroeder, when will you pull your fucking head out of your ass and realize that what you believe doesn't mean shit to anybody. Your way of belief is the way you choose to fuck your life up, so move on and do your thing.

My beliefs mean something to me, and that is easily enough. I don't need someone else's approval. You don't have to agree, but you will listen.

My way of belief, butcher, is the only thing that has kept me from f*cking my life up. That's what seperates me from you, its the paths we travel. Even if I'm walking blindly, at least I'm walking blindly down the right path.

BTW, suicide is never dignified. Anyone who would still believe ancient unwritten rules like "the captain goes down with the ship" is a sad creature indeed.

[ September 29, 2003, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: Schroeder ]

[the_butcher]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
My way of belief, butcher, is the only thing that has kept me from f*cking my life up. That's what seperates me from you, its the paths we travel. Even if I'm walking blindly, at least I'm walking blindly down the right path.

So who exactly decides which path is right and wrong? Because, personally, maybe I believe that you have a fucked up path and that I am headed in the right direction. You can't tell people what the right path is, because it is only something that you can make up. When you speak of a "right" and a "wrong" path, you are speaking of two elements that YOU decide upon. What I think is right could be something wrong to you. So fuck you for trying to force your ideals onto me.

As for "you will listen": actually, I will spit in your face and break your nose when I see you. You think you have some special "power" because you believe with "faith" in something that has never been proven. Fuck you.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
BTW, suicide is never dignified. Anyone who would still believe ancient unwritten rules like "the captain goes down with the ship" is a sad creature indeed.

Since when is that an "ancient unwritten" rule? It's never been. And it makes someone a "sad creature" because they believe in something that is dignified? You truly need to open your eyes to the world that you are trying so hard to censor and believe you can change. You truly just need to be shot to be honest. Maybe you should do yourself the favor, oh wait, you think that's the "wussy" way to die. Well, you're a fucking shithead, which is basically the same as a wuss, so go ahead.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
My way of belief, butcher, is the only thing that has kept me from f*cking my life up.

Christianity is the only reason you haven't fucked your life up? You're telling me that without it your life would be fucked up? Wow, that's sad. You must be an absolute moron then.

[ September 30, 2003, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: Titan ]

[Hank]

It’s all right to have faith in god
But when you bend to their rules and their fucking lies
That’s when I start to have pity on you.

You’re living on a mound of dirt,
But you can’t explain your reason for existence
So you blame it on god.

So much hatred in this world and you can’t decide
Who’s pulling the strings
So you figure it’s god.

Your whole life foreshadows death
And you finally realize you don’t want to die alone
So you’ll always have god.

There’s people in the world today
Who say they’re jewish, christian and such,
They’re all ignorant fools.

They’ll tell you you can’t have your own way
Unless you pay money and dedicate your life
Or you’ll be damned in hell.

Don’t be feeble like all of them,
You have your own brain full of thoughts and choices,
So use it don’t let them use you.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by the_butcher:
So fuck you for trying to force your ideals onto me.

I force my ideals on no one. I state my opinion. If you don't think that it is right, don't listen to it. In my opinion, it will be your loss, but maybe you believe otherwise.

Originally posted by the_butcher:
And it makes someone a "sad creature" because they believe in something that is dignified?

What is dignified about suicide? The captain of the ship could have lived the rest of his life and helped people, but no, he had to be dignified and commit suicide by going down with the ship. What's dignified about wasting what is left of your life? Nothing.