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hellcat · 12-08-2005, 07:07 PM

I bought a suit when I was a freshman in high school. I can't imagine not owning one and being a college student. I can understand not having a tux I guess. I typically just wear my uniform to formal events so the tux doesn't get much use anymore.

Yes there are other places with brotherhood. I'm much closer with my flightmates from boot camp than anybody else but I still hold that it is not the same as the brotherhood in a Fraternity. Seeing as one of us is a member of both and the other isn't I'd say I have a greater understanding of what I'm talking about.

Beebs · 12-08-2005, 07:44 PM

You understand that aspect of fraternity, but the word applies to all aspects of the idea, so your statement that no non greek could understand the meaning of fraternity is utter bullshit.

hellcat · 12-08-2005, 07:51 PM

Since the term frat is directed toward Fraternities in the Greek system that is what I was referring to. But I'll rephrase it. The brotherhood in a college Greek fraternity system is something that no non-greek could understand. Which is why non-greeks refer to them as frats and most greeks don't.

Beebs · 12-08-2005, 07:52 PM

Agreed then.

jbonham · 12-08-2005, 09:39 PM

So explain this brotherhood in a way that us non-greeks could understand. Because I don't see how abbreviations could denote a difference in understanding.

hellcat · 12-08-2005, 10:10 PM

Thats the whole point of the pledge process and initiation. To teach a non-greek about being a brother in a fraternity and what it means. You can't understand it until you go through it. The process is secret and even if it weren't simply typing it on the internet would not give you any appreciation for its meanings.

Ugly Bastard · 12-08-2005, 10:12 PM

Why did you join a frat?

-UB

jbonham · 12-08-2005, 10:17 PM

The process is secret? Then how could you know whether or not other groups could attain a figure of brotherhood? And I am not asking for your initiation processes, just what it means to be a brother.

Beebs · 12-08-2005, 10:51 PM

You can't really understand what it means to be something when you haven't been it, just like most frat members don't know what it's like to be an independent upperclassman.

Ugly Bastard · 12-08-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Beebs:
You can't really understand what it means to be something when you haven't been it, just like most frat members don't know what it's like to be an independent upperclassman.

Very well said.

-UB

angry pancake · 12-09-2005, 12:42 AM

Mr. Hellcat, help me out with this. If this Greek letter brotherhood thing is something only somebody who's been through it can understand, why join? Do the pledges have any understanding of what they are joining or maybe more appropriate, why they are joining?

I'm really sure not sure how Greek letter fraternities are different from other secret societies. Many of which pre-date Greek letter clubs.

hellcat · 12-09-2005, 12:46 AM

Most Greek societies actually take a lot of their roots from the european secret societies. The parrallels between my fraternity at what I've been able to find out about the Freemasons are pretty incredible.

Most pledges do it because of the reputation. And we tell them at Rush how worthless college life is if you aren't in a fraternity and how only the losers don't pledge and how we're the best one on campus so they should join ours, etc. Rush is basically a week or so of us bullshitting freshman so they pledge. Then we weed out the ones who really belong and really get it throughout the semester during the pledge process. By the time its over, the ones who are left and get initiated understand. The others usually have no idea why they got cut and that's usually the root of the problem.

angry pancake · 12-09-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by hellcat:
Most Greek societies actually take a lot of their roots from the european secret societies. The parrallels between my fraternity at what I've been able to find out about the Freemasons are pretty incredible.

That's kinda what I was getting at. These societies aren't limited to Greek letter fraternities found in colleges. We didn't have a greek system where I went, but we had other groups. Particularly "eating clubs" that some date back to pre-civil war. I suspect that there's not much difference between societies and Greek letter fraternities other than Greek letter fraternities seem to be limited to colleges.

Beebs · 12-09-2005, 01:12 AM

Well technically greek frats arent just at colleges, thats just where you first join.

angry pancake · 12-09-2005, 01:28 AM

Not familiar with Greek fraternities outside of a college. Maybe that is the better way to phrase that. Still, Where else are they? Know of other organizations, like masons etc., just not Greek letter social fraternities. Clue me in on this.

[ December 08, 2005, 10:29 PM: Message edited by: angry pancake ]

Ugly Bastard · 12-09-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by hellcat:
Then we weed out the ones who really belong

Oh... you mean the insecure kids who can't make it through college without feeling accepted? Yea... weed through that pile of souls and find those bastards.

-UB

hellcat · 12-09-2005, 01:58 AM

Damn UB you really are bitter about the whole not being Greek thing aren't you? Everybody else here is having a civilized conversation and all you can contribute it "greek's are gay."

Mr. Blonde · 12-09-2005, 01:59 AM

You have to understand what fraternities are like at Ball State to understand the hatred we hold for fraternities...but you don't go here...so you couldnt POSSIBLY comprehend...

hellcat · 12-09-2005, 02:01 AM

If they're like that fraternities at CU Boulder (where my sister is) I can understand. 90% of them are cokeheads which is something I also think is retarded.

Ugly Bastard · 12-09-2005, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by hellcat:
Damn UB you really are bitter about the whole not being Greek thing aren't you?

That couldn't be further from the truth. Long before I ever came to college I had no interest in joining such an insecure organization. My feelings remain the same.

-UB

hellcat · 12-09-2005, 02:34 AM

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no interest in joining such an insecure organization

Let me guess, you watched Animal House and Old School and you knew all there was to know about real Fraternities. Oh and lets not forget the MTV shows and fraternity and sorrority life. Those were just as real as Real World. Give me a break.

Ugly Bastard · 12-09-2005, 02:41 AM

I never saw those two movies before deciding I didn't want anything to do with a frat. Also, it should be noted that seeing those movies should do nothing but make me want to join a frat, since they're incredible films.

MTV is for dumbasses.

I based my judgement off of the words of people I trusted. This blended with the fact that when I came to college, I saw a bunch of guys that I was able to instantly identify as "total pricks" (we all know the kind I'm talking about) who were recruiting people to join their bullshit fraternity.

I'm not the type of person to jump through hoops for a bunch of illiterate assholes on trust funds just so I can wear their fucking T-shirts and wash their fucking floors. If you want to be a bitch, then it sounds like you're on the right track. The Army and a fraternity are certainly bitch-worthy organizations.

-UB

Mr. Blonde · 12-09-2005, 02:44 AM

But the army is more respectable, seeing as how they're actually doing something beneficial for the country. I can't back you up on that one.

However, I can vouch for UB not being the MTV watching/mimicking type AT ALL.

hellcat · 12-09-2005, 03:01 AM

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The Army and a fraternity are certainly bitch-worthy organizations.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of support here bashing fraternities but military service? You really are a fucking moron.

And btw, I'm in the Air Force. Army is for people too stupid to fly planes.

Mr. Blonde · 12-09-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by hellcat:
bashing military service? You really are a fucking moron.

Quote:

Originally posted by hellcat:
Army is for people too stupid to fly planes.

12-08-2005, 07:07 PM	#101 (permalink)
hellcat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 316 Internets: 10	I bought a suit when I was a freshman in high school. I can't imagine not owning one and being a college student. I can understand not having a tux I guess. I typically just wear my uniform to formal events so the tux doesn't get much use anymore. Yes there are other places with brotherhood. I'm much closer with my flightmates from boot camp than anybody else but I still hold that it is not the same as the brotherhood in a Fraternity. Seeing as one of us is a member of both and the other isn't I'd say I have a greater understanding of what I'm talking about.
	“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” -- Adolf Hitler 1935

12-08-2005, 07:51 PM	#103 (permalink)
hellcat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 316 Internets: 10	Since the term frat is directed toward Fraternities in the Greek system that is what I was referring to. But I'll rephrase it. The brotherhood in a college Greek fraternity system is something that no non-greek could understand. Which is why non-greeks refer to them as frats and most greeks don't.
	“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” -- Adolf Hitler 1935

12-08-2005, 10:10 PM	#106 (permalink)
hellcat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 316 Internets: 10	Thats the whole point of the pledge process and initiation. To teach a non-greek about being a brother in a fraternity and what it means. You can't understand it until you go through it. The process is secret and even if it weren't simply typing it on the internet would not give you any appreciation for its meanings.
	“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” -- Adolf Hitler 1935

12-09-2005, 12:46 AM	#112 (permalink)
hellcat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 316 Internets: 10	Most Greek societies actually take a lot of their roots from the european secret societies. The parrallels between my fraternity at what I've been able to find out about the Freemasons are pretty incredible. Most pledges do it because of the reputation. And we tell them at Rush how worthless college life is if you aren't in a fraternity and how only the losers don't pledge and how we're the best one on campus so they should join ours, etc. Rush is basically a week or so of us bullshitting freshman so they pledge. Then we weed out the ones who really belong and really get it throughout the semester during the pledge process. By the time its over, the ones who are left and get initiated understand. The others usually have no idea why they got cut and that's usually the root of the problem.
	“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” -- Adolf Hitler 1935

12-09-2005, 01:58 AM	#117 (permalink)
hellcat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 316 Internets: 10	Damn UB you really are bitter about the whole not being Greek thing aren't you? Everybody else here is having a civilized conversation and all you can contribute it "greek's are gay."
	“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” -- Adolf Hitler 1935

12-08-2005, 07:44 PM	#102 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	You understand that aspect of fraternity, but the word applies to all aspects of the idea, so your statement that no non greek could understand the meaning of fraternity is utter bullshit.

12-08-2005, 07:52 PM	#104 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Agreed then.

12-08-2005, 09:39 PM	#105 (permalink)
jbonham Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Internets: 10	So explain this brotherhood in a way that us non-greeks could understand. Because I don't see how abbreviations could denote a difference in understanding.

12-08-2005, 10:12 PM	#107 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Why did you join a frat? -UB

12-08-2005, 10:17 PM	#108 (permalink)
jbonham Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Internets: 10	The process is secret? Then how could you know whether or not other groups could attain a figure of brotherhood? And I am not asking for your initiation processes, just what it means to be a brother.

12-08-2005, 10:51 PM	#109 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	You can't really understand what it means to be something when you haven't been it, just like most frat members don't know what it's like to be an independent upperclassman.

12-09-2005, 01:12 AM	#114 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Well technically greek frats arent just at colleges, thats just where you first join.

12-09-2005, 01:59 AM	#118 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	You have to understand what fraternities are like at Ball State to understand the hatred we hold for fraternities...but you don't go here...so you couldnt POSSIBLY comprehend...
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12-09-2005, 02:01 AM	#119 (permalink)
hellcat Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 316 Internets: 10	If they're like that fraternities at CU Boulder (where my sister is) I can understand. 90% of them are cokeheads which is something I also think is retarded.
	“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” -- Adolf Hitler 1935

12-09-2005, 02:41 AM	#122 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	I never saw those two movies before deciding I didn't want anything to do with a frat. Also, it should be noted that seeing those movies should do nothing but make me want to join a frat, since they're incredible films. MTV is for dumbasses. I based my judgement off of the words of people I trusted. This blended with the fact that when I came to college, I saw a bunch of guys that I was able to instantly identify as "total pricks" (we all know the kind I'm talking about) who were recruiting people to join their bullshit fraternity. I'm not the type of person to jump through hoops for a bunch of illiterate assholes on trust funds just so I can wear their fucking T-shirts and wash their fucking floors. If you want to be a bitch, then it sounds like you're on the right track. The Army and a fraternity are certainly bitch-worthy organizations. -UB

12-09-2005, 02:44 AM	#123 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	But the army is more respectable, seeing as how they're actually doing something beneficial for the country. I can't back you up on that one. However, I can vouch for UB not being the MTV watching/mimicking type AT ALL.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna