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Old 10-29-2016, 07:33 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't buy that factory farming has helped to solve hunger in humans, humans could eat grain used to feed livestock, maybe industry in general has.
And if it did, so what.

Also climate change caused by factory farming is likely to wipe out any gains made
(high)tech solutions to ethical problems, not high ethical problems to small ethical provlems

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I don't buy that factory farming has helped to solve hunger in humans, humans could eat grain used to feed livestock, maybe industry in general has.
And if it did, so what.

Also climate change caused by factory farming is likely to wipe out any gains made
(high)tech solutions to ethical problems, not high ethical problems to small ethical provlems
People against the continued use of factory farms: Dent, Repug, Blonde

I feel like lab-grown meat is a key to the meat-for-food situation. Cheaper and creates more jobs, much less animal suffering and mess and potential for contamination not to mention the ease of suffering on animals. But the meat industry is, as Repug said, by nature predatory/capitalistic. Lot's of lobbying and bullshit politics before significant change.

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Old 11-06-2016, 05:50 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Agreed on in-vitro meat, political and moral persuasion is hard.
The group i'm with has a policy paper out on the topic and is very closely involved with it's development
https://sentience-politics.org/resea...cultured-meat/

They've done a bunch of panel discussions with the guy who's company devloped the first in-vitro meat which was in the news a few years back.
Panel Discussion - Ending Animal Agriculture Through Cultured Meat?

"Clean meat" was polled to be a good name for it, but i'm told that there are laws here in the UK what can be labelled as meat, and it's not allowed currently.
"in-vitro meat" is fine afaik.
Also it's further off than i'd like and initially thought, 15-20 years is my guess, maybe more.
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I came to the thread to say that Peter Singer is giving a talk on wild animal suffering in a week or so, it's not a topic he would have touched with a barge pole a few years back because of how controversial it is. Progress?

Fall 2016 PEI Faculty Seminar Series: "The Suffering of Wild Animals: Should we do anything about it, and if so, what?" Peter Singer | Princeton Environmental Institute
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Peter Singer's talk is now online.
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watching this now, Peter Singer drops Oscar Horta's name in at 26:15
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An Evaluation of Effective Animal Activism

TLDR the community i'm involved with a lot isn't as science based as they pretend to be, making claims like "you can save x animals per x spent" probably isn't a wise thing to do at the moment. Serious research needs doing instead of making shit up and deceiving people because you have a hunch that one path is brighter than another.

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Firefighters who saved piglets served them up as sausages by grateful farm

The farm was very grateful, we should do this for all life so the ecosystem is grateful.
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