I think a little piece of me just died

[DJ FC]

Obama: If You've Got A Business, You Didn't Build That - YouTube

Obama: If You've Got A Business, You Didn't Build That - YouTube

[Ugly Bastard]

Yea I was with him until he took it a little too far with the quote listed in the title. The basic point is a good one though which is that we're all in this together, etc.

[Mr. Blonde]

Could have been phrased better, but what he means to say is obviously correct. In this current time period, for example, people who happen to have certain natural skills and education in the area of finance are shined upon by society. This has not always been the case throughout history, at least with such a large number of people working in finance or economics (throughout history these positions were obviously filled by the elite)

Always goes back to the social contract, people who have had certain luck in genetics, upbringing, random chance meetings that motivated them to choose this path or that path, et cetera. Wealthy people particularly like to fawn all over themselves RE: "I worked hard to get here" when they actually have never worked nearly as hard as many poor, undereducated farmers, industrial workers, etc. have. Oh sure, maybe they spent a few summers in high school and college doing hard labor. Please.




P.S. I just imagined FC being some jewey merchant in Mesopotamia. Highly doubt that's how it would have gone down; could definitely see him rising to be some kind of holy priest though.

[Saint DH]

Oh yeah Obama is so fucking right. Because when you start a business and are barely able to make payroll, the government will come in and feed your family for you since you're not getting fucking paid. And if you mess up on your taxes, the government won't send an auditor out to fuck your operations up and slap you with penalties and interest. The government does so much for business owners that they should literally just give them 90% of their profits. After all, the government did all the work.

I don't agree with a single word that piece of shit said.

[Mr. Blonde]

How hard was it not for you to call him a filthy nigger during that bespittled rant?

I bet it was pretty hard.

[Saint DH]

Please, he would like it if I called him that. Obama is half white. If I wanted to get racist I'd have called him a mulatto.

[f3lix]

I love it when Bambi goes off script and says things like this.

[Repugnant Abomination]

God I hope he gets re-elected just to shut you cunty bitches up.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

This is an outrageous obamination.

[ninjaface]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Oh yeah Obama is so fucking right. Because when you start a business and are barely able to make payroll, the government will come in and feed your family for you since you're not getting fucking paid. And if you mess up on your taxes, the government won't send an auditor out to fuck your operations up and slap you with penalties and interest. The government does so much for business owners that they should literally just give them 90% of their profits. After all, the government did all the work.

I don't agree with a single word that piece of shit said.

Looks like you totally missed the point. But to be fair, it was likely obscured by your deep-seated racism.

[Ugly Bastard]

No kidding. He wasn't praising the government, DH. Make sense when you rant, its better for you're position.

[DJ FC]

I think the thing being completely left out here is that when people "do things for one another" it's not out of charity but out of mutually beneficial exchange. For example:

Student is inspired by a great professor to create a new tech firm that completely kills it.

Obama says that student didn't create the tech firm, that everybody did. That the student was given the inspiration by the professor. But Obama forgets that the student paid tuition to talk to that professor and that the professors interests were not in charity but in profit. And if they weren't in profit they were for some sort of advertising. So the student who created the tech firm paid for this. If his inspiration was publicly available and the student was the only one who took the inspiration to create the tech firm then he truly was smarter than everybody else. So Either:

The student did indeed pay his way to this success

or

He was smarter than everybody else.

[Repugnant Abomination]

How about this:

The student went through the k-12 public education system that was paid for by everyone's taxes, even people who didn't have children. That public education is what enabled him to go to college in the first place.

The problem with all of this is everyone oversimplifies the guy whose position they don't like, be it Bain outsourcing jobs, or Obama pointing out that everyone contributes to the system that people can thrive in.

[DJ FC]

How about we ask people to pay for k-12 then?

Oh wait we already do and its not expensive.

Obama is asking for a lot more.

With a broad wave of his hand he dismisses the 13 trillion dollars worth of value that is created in the us every year through knowledge, hard work, and trade. That 13 trillion didn't create itself. People made it. And its nearly always made through mutually beneficial exchange not charity.

[Saint DH]

Obama was saying that as a means to justify taxing business owners and corporations even more. How the fuck is that not obvious, and how did my rant not make sense.

To clarify, I'm being rhetorical, not actually asking you.

[f3lix]

Repug, where does your argument lie when a person attents private school all their life and attends a private college or even a school like Hillsdale?

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Please, he would like it if I called him that. Obama is half white. If I wanted to get racist I'd have called him a mulatto.

Love this. Up until Obama, even "mulattos" were still basically niggers to racist people.

Ever since Obama, it's all "He's not even REALLY black!!!".

90% of the "black" people you know have white blood in them, you ever seen an actual fucking African? Just in case, visit your local Wal-Mart at around 12AM and you'll see folks with skin darker than the Nubblies background.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by f3lix

Repug, where does your argument lie when a person attents private school all their life and attends a private college or even a school like Hillsdale?

BUT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOU
YOU WENT TO CRANBROOK, THAT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL
WHAT'S THE MATTER DAWG, YOU EMBARRASSED?
THIS GUYS A GANGSTER, HIS REAL NAME'S CLARENCE
AND CLARENCE LIVES AT HOME WITH BOTH PARENTS
AND CLARENCE'S PARENTS HAVE A REAL GOOD MARRIAGE


To answer your question though, they very likely didn't foot the bill for private school/college themselves. In this case, it would lie on the social benefits that allowed their parents to earn the money and have the opportunities they did to be able to afford to send their kid to private everything.

[Ironic Mustache]

Really? Social benefits paid for private school? I really hope you're being sarcastic.

[angry pancake]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

BUT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOU
YOU WENT TO CRANBROOK, THAT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL
WHAT'S THE MATTER DAWG, YOU EMBARRASSED?
THIS GUYS A GANGSTER, HIS REAL NAME'S CLARENCE
AND CLARENCE LIVES AT HOME WITH BOTH PARENTS
AND CLARENCE'S PARENTS HAVE A REAL GOOD MARRIAGE

"How you going to be a hard core OG gangster editing the yearbook?"

"My man here ain't never been to the hood. My man went to prep school." "That was a pimp school!"

Rappers Against Violence? - YouTube

Rappers Against Violence? - YouTube

[f3lix]

The thought that the liberal agenda breaks down to claiming that every person was helped by resources of other people (they'll imply it's the government) is hilarious because everything the government provides is paid for by the tax dollars of its citizens. The government has no money - it belongs to all of us, regardless of what Repug will try to claim.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by f3lix

The thought that the liberal agenda breaks down to claiming that every person was helped by resources of other people (they'll imply it's the government) is hilarious because everything the government provides is paid for by the tax dollars of its citizens. The government has no money - it belongs to all of us, regardless of what Repug will try to claim.

Go start a business in the woods, holmes. But blaze your own trail out there.

[f3lix]

Hippies like you would cry that I'm cutting down trees

[Mr. Blonde]

tries to imagine f3lix wielding an axe
or even chainsaw
laugh my ass off

[Repugnant Abomination]

Originally Posted by DJ FC

How about we ask people to pay for k-12 then?

Oh wait we already do and its not expensive.

Obama is asking for a lot more.

With a broad wave of his hand he dismisses the 13 trillion dollars worth of value that is created in the us every year through knowledge, hard work, and trade. That 13 trillion didn't create itself. People made it. And its nearly always made through mutually beneficial exchange not charity.

How is he asking for a lot more? All he's saying is that the Bush tax cuts should expire. Do you understand that? They were supposed to be temporary in the first fucking place. Would it really be so bad for taxes to go back to the Clinton era levels? I seem to recall the economy doing pretty goddamn okay during that time.

And no, he's not dismissing personal initiative or hard work, he's merely pointing out that we all benefit from the American system that we all as tax payers contribute to.

Originally Posted by f3lix

Repug, where does your argument lie when a person attents private school all their life and attends a private college or even a school like Hillsdale?

Private schools are more the exception than the norm. Public school is what most people go through. I'm not sure how I feel about it though, since education in this country is a mess. It worries me because inequality is growing and when it reaches a boiling point things could get really bad. We need members of our society to be educated and productive and contribute. Otherwise they turn to welfare and gangs and have too many kids and fuck the whole system up. A good public education system can help curb a lot of that.

Originally Posted by f3lix

The thought that the liberal agenda breaks down to claiming that every person was helped by resources of other people (they'll imply it's the government) is hilarious because everything the government provides is paid for by the tax dollars of its citizens. The government has no money - it belongs to all of us, regardless of what Repug will try to claim.

Bitch, what the fuck are you talking about? You really have to be the densest person on this board. Nobody is saying the resources belong to the government, and nobody is implying it. Your unabashed hate is making you see shit that isn't there.

Honestly, you guys are ridiculous. Obama isn't raising taxes, he's letting tax breaks expire. The republicans are being cunty by trying to make them permanent when they never were meant to be. People seem to forget this economy crashed under Bush's watch when he deregulated the financial system to the point that it collapsed from its own excesses. That said, Obama never understood business, hasn't done enough to fix the economy (even though I do think it could have been a lot worse), and I'm not sure if he's ever going to get it. It's worrisome.