2008 Nubblies.net Fantasy Football Thread

[Orgazmo]

Gentlemen and Bitches,

The fantasy season is soon approaching. The 3 - 4 month gap resting betwixt us and our draft will soon be small enough to skip a stone across. A god damned stone. We need to get our shit together.

I'll be the commish this year and in charge of the organization and shit. As such, your $100 entry fee needs to come to me. As Ugly did last year, I'll accept Paypal, check, or cash for payment.

The 12 participants from last year are automatically invited back this year. This invitation will be exclusive to those on the list until a person specifically states that they are not interested in playing or until July 5th at 11:59PM EST comes without that person paying their dues. As soon as someone with a reserved spot vocalizes that they are not interested in playing in the league this year, their spot will be open to the public and taken by the first person to get their $100 to me. Much the same, as soon as July 5th, 11:59PM EST comes, all unpaid spots will be open to the public and filled in the order that dues are received. It is important to note that intent to pay does not reserve you a spot. Having paid the $100 dues while there is an unreserved spot reserves a spot.

Below is a list of the 12 players with reserved spots.

Paid: (1* spot available -- open to anyone)
Orgazmo
ID
f3lix
Ugly Bastard
Banana Tits
George W. Bush
djhurdle
Exitonly
SexyGun
BoweTie Noodles
BDH*
Scotty2Hotty*


*Unpaid

To pay
Paypal me $103.20 (to cover bitchy costs)
Send me a check for $100 (PM me for address...it'll probably be changing soon so I don't want to add it here and then forget to update)
Give me cash/check in person

And now that we got all of the registration BS out of the way...let's talk dates. We held the draft on the first Saturday of August last year. That seemed to work pretty well as far as the general timeline of things goes. Does anyone have any conflicts that they would like to voice?

As far as the actual league goes, Ugly has suggested that defenses be made less powerful. I think it's a stellar idea. Feel free to use this idea to throw other ideas into the mix for debate. Unless there is heavy support for another idea, assume that this leagues rules will be identical to last year's set of rules with the exception of defenses being less powerful. Of course, the official scoring system will be available pre draft.

REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN TO EVERYONE

[Cocktooth]

I will win and it's pretty obvious.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

agree about the defenses. they will be even more powerful by default this year b/c they changed the force out rule.

A defensive touchdown should be worth 4 points, not seven. Including the turnover that makes 6 points. Getting 9 points for something as random and unpredictable as a defensive TD was ridiculous. kickoff and punt Return TDs should remain 6. maybe also reduce points allowed scale?
12 (0 pts)
9 (1-6)
6 (7-13)
3 (14-20)
0 (21-27)
-3 (28-34)
-6 (35+)

I also don't like the 2-pt rule for <20 yard field goals. A rule like that can only breed disappointment and adds no value. Imagine watching a game and praying and hoping the opposing defense stalls a goaline drive so your kicker can pleasure you. and then, bummer, oh yea its only 2 pts. The other way around no ones paying attention to what your kicker is doing. So your opponent gets no pleasures from the 2pt rule because it is much less likely to notice and say "oh sweet, his kicker only scored 2pts"

Quarterbacks:
most leagues do not give the full 6 pts for tds thrown, however, i am actually quite fond of getting 6. However, I think interceptions should be more painful to counterbalance this. -2 is pretty pussy shit. I saw fucking QBs play horrible, shitty fucking games and still manage to net around ten points. throwing 4 INT and one TD and still managing to break a positive score is pretty silly. I think we should try -3 this year for INT.

[Ugly Bastard]

ID,

I really like a lot of the things you said. In fact, I agree with about everything you said (save for perhaps the -3 for QB INTs).

Your ideas for reducing the value of defenses are spot on. And yes, the 2-point rule for < 20 yard field goals is stupid and should be removed. I just thought it'd be kind of a fun wrinkle to add in, but I agree that it doesn't add value.

Oh, btw. I is defending my's title dis year.

[Orgazmo]

I agree with what has been said about defenses and fg's. Good points.

As far as qb's go, I agree that they're too powerful. Unlike you, I would like to see the 4pts/td that most leagues have. It seems like the best way to level them with the other scoring positions. I also accept the fact that I'm probably outnumbered with this viewpoint.

[Cocktooth]

Are you guys trying to Shaw Proof this league??? I guess I'm considered the Tiger Woods of Nubblies Fantasy Sports now. It's a good feeling.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Options:

1. -2 and 1 pt for every 50 yards (what we have right now)
2. -3 and 1 pt for 50 yards
3. -2.5 and 1 pt for every 50 yards
4. -3 and 1 pt for every 40 yards

Game 5 last year Tony Romo throws 5 INT, 1 fumble, two TDs, throws for 309, runs for 7. Should have single handedly lost the game. This is compared to someone who had a pretty average day that week. Brian Griese threw 2 tds, 1 INT, -1 yds rushing, 214 yards passing.

Options
---Romo (bad)----------Griese (Average)

1. 6.53 pts -------14.23 pts
2. 1.53 -----------13.23
3. 4.03 -----------13.73
4. 3.08 -----------15.37

Does anyone else see a problem with a turnover differential of 5 and only having a difference of 7 pts scored with our current QB scoring system?

More comparisons including Horrid Game (Drew Brees week 3) Good Game (Tony Romo week 9) and Just Fucking Disgusting Game (Tom Brady week 7)


Options
-----Horrid-------Bad ----------Average-------Good-----Disgusting

1. -5.5-------6.53 pts -------14.23 --------22.48-------43.08
2. -9.5-------1.53 -----------13.23 --------21.48-------43.08
3. -7.5-------4.03 -----------13.73 --------21.98-------43.08
4. -7.25------3.08 -----------15.37 --------24.72-------46.62

option 2 looks more evenly distributed to me, although we're pry missing a level between bad and average that should be looked at

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

of the top 16 players that scored fantasy points last year, 13 were quarterbacks, there needs to be a change... -3 pts for interception isn't going to be enough

[Orgazmo]

...but leaving that and making td's 4 would be perfect.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

TDs 4, 40 yds 1, INTs 2? if u decrease the TD's i think u should increase the value of yardage a tit.

What do you other fags think?

[Orgazmo]

I like that. Not only takes the qb down a peg or two, levels them out a bit across the field so that well-rounded play is more rewarded than a shitload of touchdowns.

[Ugly Bastard]

ID,

Good work in this thread. Also, it's honorable of you to pioneer a reduction in QB power after having owned Brady last year.

I'm more a fan of the models that increase the variance a little. 4 for TDs and -2 for INTs might be "fair" and all, but it's also a little boring. What about 6 TDs -3 INTs... and if that leaves QBs too powerful, then how about 100 yards for a point?

Thoughts on that model?

Another model I'd be interested in seeing some numbers on would be 5 TDs, -2.5 INTs, 50 yards/point.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

i'll run some more numbers later when i have more time. The most important factors are

1. that the the point values earned increase relative to the performance of the QB

2. that the QB is not too overpowered, however I think the qb should be the most powerful position considering that (a) there are only 32 QBs that can be started every week and (b) there is only one roster position for a QB

what I honestly think would fix all of this is to change interception to -3 and increase rushing and receiving yards to 15 yds per point instead of 20. this keeps the variance and also nerfs the QBs just a bit. It also makes things more interesting when your opponent's quarterback throws a pass/TD to your receiver.

[BigDongedHoe]

Stumbled across this gem and just wanted to say damn ID you are on the ball. I'm agreeing with almost everything you said.

As far as the defense and fg goes I agree with everything posted above and I'm sure most would, lets make that change official.

As far as the QB's go I'm on the fence. While they were a little to overscored last year they are by all means the most important position on the field, thus they should be scored the highest. I'm opposed to dropping the TD score from 6 to 4. I think 6 is more than fair. I like the interception rule though on making it 3.

6 TD 3 INT 60/yds a point? Let me know what you all think.

As far as draft dates go I can only hope it will be just as much fun as last year. I'd like to see even a bigger turnout to make this a big shindig, good times ahead.

Count me in gaz I'll get you my hundy sometime in May or June. I'd also like to add I know of at least 1 or 2 people that will fill a roster spot if they become available.

[Cocktooth]

You guys are making this way to scientific. It's Fantasy Football. Everyone uses the same pt structure. There is a reason you draft players. You draft them to score you the most points. You have to take everything into consideration, including the structure. I say the rule that needs changed is the Regular Season winner. I believe Herm Edwards said it best. " YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME." He didn't say, whoever has the most points at the end of the season is the winner. The points should be used as a tiebreaker.

This is all for not, I will win.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

well, at least we're all in agreement (except shaw) that the points lost for interceptions need to be increased relative to the value of TDs.

but I don't really care for decreasing the value of yards thrown relative to TDs, they're already pretty low.

[Orgazmo]

An unrelated proposed change: The way adds/drops are currently is kinda BS imo. Instead of allowing pick ups as the games go on, I think adds should be frozen from Saturday night => Tuesday day (or something like that). I assume Yahoo can do that. Thoughts?

[Cocktooth]

I'm confused on that one if you can believe that. Are you saying that when the first game of the week starts, if say Adrian Peterson gets hurt, the first person to pick up his back up ( if available) won't be able to do that until some random time Tuesday??? If you have info, you should be able to use it with your team. That's one of the main reason's that I watch as much football as I can on Sunday.

[Orgazmo]

Instead of a 'who can click fastest' contest, it becomes a 'who is the better manager' contest. Adds are frozen at the beginning of the first game and reopen the evening (or whatever) after the last game. During the freeze time, you can put in requests for adds...but the actual actions will be governed by the waiver priority.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

no the option hes talking about is like a waivers system for free agents on the weekend. free agents enter waivers when the games start and aren't cleared until tuesday. in that scenario the person with waiver priority gets the back up if he so chooses to use his waiver, or he can wait till tuesday to pick him up for free if he so chooses if no one else uses a waiver claim (unlikely)

this adds a new layer of strategy (and luck), but removes the advantage of watching every second of every game. It would be nice not to need to have my computer next to my side all sunday... but then again i am a free agent whore. I cant decide!


edit orgazmo beat me to it, lets have a vote who gave the better explanation!

[Orgazmo]

ID: 1
Gaz: 0

[BigDongedHoe]

I don't agree with that at all. Lets say it unfreezes at 12:00 A.M. Tuesday morning. Then it turns into who can stay up late and get in there the fastest at 12:00. I think that would be an absolutely horrible change. Whoever is watching the game and wants to get a FA should get it.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

it doesn't freeze, they go to waivers, it won't turn into a who can stay up late because if anyone is in demand they will be waivered and it will be useless to wait

[BigDongedHoe]

I still don't like it. As shaw mentioned above lets say you took Joseph Addai in the first round and he goes down with a knee while you are watching the game. You then are pretty much fucked on your opportunity to grab kenton keith because your waiver status sucks.

"If it isn't broke don't fix it"

[Ugly Bastard]

Loyalty to the league should be rewarded. I don't like the thought of watching 12 games at once on DirecTV and spending countless hours on the league page throughout the week giving me almost no advantage over someone who just checks the page for 10 minutes Monday night.