Who is going to hell? An argument for the Bible, Religion and God.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

Blonde's gone... I won't be told I'm a horrible person for my faith in God anymore!!

Wrong!

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

No... I also know he's not really concerned with what I wrote on my interests in 2002 8 years ago when I was a junior in high school well before I was ever a believer.

How do you know, exactly, what god is concerned with? And which god? Also, your sex kitten milf fuuuuuck avatar with my mom in it was put up last year, not 8 years ago. God is always watching.

On a more answerable note, as i'm sure you don't have a good one for my above questions, what are your personal views on gods influence on the course of evolution? You DO believe in evolution, yes?

Please, please, tell me the "7 days" in the Bible are "God days, which could be billions of years."

[Der Fuhrer]

Here's a funny joke. You've probably heard it before.

God is sitting up in heaven with his bling bling and his herum of topless big tittied angels, sippin on jac, smokin a spliff. He's like fuck man (to the Archangel Gaberiel) I need a vacation! Gabe's like well shit nigga, you need to go to Pluto right now, get away from it all and just relax in solitude. God's like nah nigga, that shit is way to cold. So ol Gabe's like, check out Saturn, this time of year the rings are really beautiful n shit. God's like nah fuck that shit you be trippin. Then Gabe's like, why don't you go to Earth, the people there are really nice, there's lots to do, the climate is really nice. God's like nah mayne, last time I was there I fucked a bitch and they STILL talkin bout it!

Edit: God's black and heaven is a proponent of affirmative action.

What's the fastest way to the seventh level of hell?

I'll tell you, by not sending me enough worship to buy a fucking jet ski!

[BigDongedHoe]

I won't argue Blonde. I can only contend that I believe Jesus Christ is who he says he was. I believe his word is truth and I believe this because of the impact he has made in my life. Other than that simple child like faith, I can't really argue anything else.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by Der Fuhrer

This is kind of an interesting thought. It is a fact that every culture, every civilization, every single different group of people have some form of religion. They all believe in some form of higher-power. Granted, the beliefs of various groups are often very different from others, but the fact remains that they all have some form of relgion.

Now you might think, hey what about atheists and agnostics? They don't believe in anything! Well they do pose some difficulty fitting in this mold, but I believe they can be fit. We must first understand who the atheist is.

The atheist comes from a weallthy and developed country. Typically residing in your western civilizations like the United States and western Europe, the atheist gives no thought to problems of subsistance. He need not worry about when the next meal is going to be, or if he will be able to cultivate all his land. No, the atheist focuses his mind on the big "problems" of society. Things like religion, environmentalism, politics and the like. I contend that atheists do not believe in nothing, but rather they have found a champion within this world to which they worship.

I will start with a general example, the environmentalists. Many evironmentalists today are atheist. After all, to believe that the Earth is so fragile is to deny the power of God, at least to some extent. However, I contend that enivoronmentalists do in fact have a religion. They worship environmentalism. The Earth is the champion of their religion. They have their own religious sects, such as the Sierra Club, Green Peace, and slew of other organizations...all of which require donantions, much like a collection plate in church.

While it's obvious that not all people fit neatly into this category, I contend that all atheists fall in some simlar pattern. It is a bit more difficult to distinguish religion at the individual level though. I'll try to give an example using the most outspoken atheist on the board. Mr. Blonde is a self-declared atheist on this board, and damn proud of it. He makes it known to all who believe otherwise that there is no God. Just in the same manner that a staunch Christian lets all who believe otherwise that Jesus is the savior of humanity. In fact, I believe that some atheists make atheism their religion. Their champion? In my humble opinion, it's themselves. They are the saviors of their religion, destined to free humanity from the chains of your traditional religions. I think this makes sense because, like Mr. Blonde, most atheists are extremely self-righteous.

Once again, not all atheists probably fit in this mold, but I'm sure you can see a pattern starting to form. It appears that human beings have no choice but to believe in something bigger than themselves...or at least bigger than everyone else if they are themselves the champions of the religion.

If all human beings have some form of a religion, this begs the questions, why must all humans believe in something bigger than themselves? Are we biologically wired to do so because it is the only way we are able to cope with our lives, our existence, and the concept of death? Or is it because our mysterious God created us in this fashion because there is in fact a God that created us?

The final thought I want to leave you with is what may hold the answer to these questions, and much, much more. Am I, Der Fuhrer, God? The answer is yes. I accept worship through PayPal, electronic check, credit or debit card. You all go to hell if I don't have enough worship to buy a jet ski for this summer.

Amen, blessed am I. Bow before me. Give me your women. Give me your worship. In Der Fuhrer's name we pray, Amen.

The "atheism is a religion" argument is one of the oldest in the book. It's ultimately a semantic argument. You could classify work as your religion. Money. Women. Etc. etc. The simple answer to your above question is that evolutionarily, we're social creatures. We're wired to work with others and form groups, whatever the groups may be. Many peoples groups coalesce in the form of a religious one, which is fine, as long as it stays out of mainstream societal functions, but I'll get to that.

I assume you're referring to my self-righteousness on religious grounds only, as it's pretty much the only area (besides Shaws situation) that I ever chastise/take a cause up with. I do take a significant amount of pride in the fact that I base my actions and decisions on rational thought processes rather than arbitary moral demands. I take quite a bit of pride in where I have ended up, geographically, socially, and intellectually given the fact that I grew up on a family farm in Indiana and was forced to go to church every sunday. In hindsight one of the only reasons I was "Christian" for all those years was because I was in a situation where I was socially forced to. I also grew up in the shadow of the Bible Belt, where the truths about the ubiquitousness of the myriad religions in all parts of the world were hidden from me (a fact which should stop a religious debate before it ever starts, but never does). As soon as these truths were made available to me and I was in situation where I had more intellectual freedom, I began to form my own belief foundation based on what I have experienced and the science that was available to me, ultimately going from a "good" Christian, to a "BDH" 'Christian', to a Deist, to making fun of religion (LOL Flying Spaghetti Monster touched me with his noodly appendage!), to a full blown atheist.

But I digress...the point is is that many people can come to the same conclusion I have, (and most on this board have) given the right circumstances. The problem is, for many in the world, they can't escape their thought-hindering circumstances, and they continue to rely on hope from elsewhere to save them, which imo is doing nothing but retarding the fuck out of human progress.

As I said, many members, if not all of them but BDH, are also atheists whether they want to admit it or not, and some of them (UB for example) would prefer that most atheists just keep quiet so we can perpetuate the veritable caste system that religion tends to breed. My main problem with religion, however, is that it infringes on laws, worldwide. If people want to believe in silly shit that is absolutely fine, but when it steps into the boundary of law, public policy, or anywhere in the realm of human rights and the pursuit of human knowledge and advancement, I get infuriated. There are obviously many examples of this worldwide, but here is a recent one from Mr. Pat Condell (to me the most valuable thing I have taken from all of Dents posts on this board):

YouTube - The crooked judges of Amsterdam

YouTube - The crooked judges of Amsterdam

Back to your post...I don't proclaim that there is 100% no god, no educated atheist does. Anybody with a remotely scientific mind knows that we can't possibly make that statement...yet. I believe there is no god, based on the evidence (or lack thereof) and the probability (or lack thereof) of one. I have no problem talking, rationalizing, and discussing about why I believe there is no god. But nobody can say there is 100% no god.

I will say that on top of the obvious fact that I basically worship (pun intended) the likes of Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens, a large portion of my atheism has flowered from my recent (past year) studies (as a hobby) of astronomy and quantum/particle physics. When you get into the kind of mind boggling numbers and strangeness that these fields revolve around, the idea of a personal god gets more and more fucking silly on the daily:

YouTube - Great Minds: Richard Feynman - The Uncertainty Of Knowledge

YouTube - Great Minds: Richard Feynman - The Uncertainty Of Knowledge

[Der Fuhrer]

That's cool. I'm glad to hear that you're happy about how you ended up geologically. Granite? Limestone? What is your mineral composition? I'm sure your mother must of had one hell of a labor giving birth to a rock!

Edit: damnit you son of a bitch.

[Der Fuhrer]

I would like to pose another question. If God is real and did create us, then why the mystery? Why does he hide from us? Why does he expect us to follow him on blind faith based on an ancient book. Furthermore, if Jesus was the son of God, why does he speak nothing of science? Nothing of technology or math? He speaks nothing of geography, history, he gave us nothing to improve the standard of living of mankind. He really didn't teach man anything but to worship God, and be nice to each other. I just wish there was something more to go on than the philisophical teachings of a man who lived thousands of years ago.

Jesus said "blessed are the meak for they shall inherit the Earth". If you look at nature though, what happens to the meak? They starve to death, or more likely they slaughtered. Ripped to fucking shreds killed and eaten by some other animal that wanted to rip the flesh from its body.

Also, you bring up a good point Blonde, many people here in America I don't think realize that there are a billion muslims out there, and another billion hindus. All of them are just as conviced as you are of their God's or gods' supremacy. Hindus have so much conviction that they don't even eat meat! Even eggs!

In Korea I hear they worship the god of rice. These religions to westerners would likely seem bizarre if not backward.

I'm not going to lie though. I believe in God. I've tried not to, but I was raised in much similar fashion to Blonde. Going to church every Sunday and shit. My family is not really like that anymore, and we haven't been to church in a good 10 years. My father, after being alive for so many years I believe has become disenchanted with religion. In addition, he has witnessed many horrible events transpire in the name of religion, such as 9/11. Now THATS conviction. Those guys flew themselves into a fucking building in the name of their God.

I guess I can't really say that I believe in God. Sometimes I'm just not sure. I'm leaning more towards agnostic or satanism. Not that I worship the devil, but I acknowledge God's existance and renounce him because he is an asshole.

[Mr. Blonde]

related:

YouTube - What Would Jesus NOT Do?

YouTube - What Would Jesus NOT Do?

(i may have posted that before...but it's worth a watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.)

[Cocktooth]

Originally Posted by Der Fuhrer

Granite? .

It's granted. Geez, we have been down this road before. (10)

[DDTempest]

Common Sense Atheism Do Christians REALLY Believe?

I was a Christian recently enough to remember what it felt like to really believe the Creator of the universe talked to me, to really believe I would go to heaven and unbelievers would go to hell, to really believe that prayer made a difference.

It sure felt like I really believed that stuff. And other Christians tell me they really believe that stuff, too.

But something’s not quite right with that.

Supposedly, my parents really believe that I am going to hell now that I’m an atheist. They believe their son, whom they love dearly, is going to be tortured forever. Literally.

And yet, they don’t seem very upset by this. Sure, they’re upset that their son has rejected most of the values and “truths” they tried to instill in me. They’re upset that I reject their way of life as both deluded and immoral. That’s a major blow for any caring parent to take.

But they don’t seem upset that their beloved son will be tortured forever in hell. And that seems odd.

If they really believed that, wouldn’t I see some serious mourning? Some pleading? Some great distress?

But it’s not just my parents. It’s Christians in general. I had these questions even when I was a Christian.
A question for Christians

This is not a post for attacking Christian beliefs or promoting atheistic views. This is a post about understanding. I’d like to understand Christians better. So, Christians: I have a question for you.

If you really believed some of the people you love dearly were going to spend an eternity in hell, wouldn’t that motivate you to try harder to save them?

Let’s say we all lived in Poland at the start of World War II and you got word that soon, the Nazis were going to invade the town where several of your friends and family lived. The Nazis were going take everybody off to concentration camps in chains, and possibly kill them. And let’s say this information came from a very reliable source, so that you really believed this was going to happen.

Would you just go on about your life? Would you just mention this to your friends and family in passing, and send them the occasional tract with information on the threat of the Nazis? Would you merely pray for them to see the threat and save themselves?

Or, would you do everything you could to save your friends and family? Maybe you would drive out there and try to convince them of the threat until you were blue in the face. Maybe you would refuse to leave until they came away with you. Maybe you would… I dunno what, but it would be pretty drastic. I know if I were in that situation, then I would do some pretty drastic things to save my friends and family.

But this is not what Christians do for their friends and family who they really believe are on the verge of falling into eternal torture, even though they say they really believe this, and even though they feel they really believe this.

So something weird is going on. Millions of Christians really believe this stuff, but they don’t act like it.

As best we can tell, humans always act so as to fulfill the strongest of their current desires, given their beliefs. But I very much doubt that Christians do not have a strong desire to save their spouses, their children, and their best friends from eternal agony. So there seems to be something weird about the belief end of the equation.

Do Christians really believe what they say and feel they believe? What’s going on here?

If you really believe this, you shouldn’t have to tell yourself, “You’re right, I really should try harder to evangelize.” No, if you really believed, you would already have that motivation! You wouldn’t need to try to manufacture it!

And if you really believed, you wouldn’t need to constantly repeat the doctrines of Christianity to yourself, and do everything you can to “build up your faith.” I don’t need to remind myself that the Holocaust happened or that gravity is real. I don’t need to constantly “build up my faith” in the existence of magnetism.

Something is fishy here, and I don’t get it. Any thoughts?

[BigDongedHoe]

Originally Posted by Der Fuhrer

Also, you bring up a good point Blonde, many people here in America I don't think realize that there are a billion muslims out there, and another billion hindus. All of them are just as conviced as you are of their God's or gods' supremacy. Hindus have so much conviction that they don't even eat meat! Even eggs!

A couple points not for argument sake at all but food for thought. Islam is not only the biggest religion in the world but also the fastest growing. I'm full well aware of this. For those that say Christianity they are wrong because they are lumping Catholicism in, which are two completely different religions. Do I believe there are Catholics who are true believers? Yes, but not all.

Where Christianity is different than any other religion in the world. Christianity is the only religion with a living God, every other religion worships a God who is dead, and full well believed to be dead. They're devotion to religion is unbelievable. If Christians only were 1/4th as devoted as most muslim's we would have some very powerful believers. There is also reasoning for this and that is Christianity is the only religion that you don't have to earn your way into heaven. Muslim's, hindu's, buddhists, etc. all have to earn there way into heaven by works and daily prayer rituals. Which would explain more of there devotion and actions.

Another way Christianity is different is that its popping up in all parts of the world far and wide. Muslim converts, tribes in jungles in New Guinea, and even Japan all have experienced the love of Christ. People aren't worshiping Allah in the middle of no where but you can guarantee Christ is being worshiped in all parts of the world.

[Ugly Bastard]

What makes Christ so easy to worship and effortless for most people is that there's sooo little information about him that you can assume the best and manufacture what you want to believe about him.

[Der Fuhrer]

I would be far more convinced of Jesus's existence as the son of God, if instead of curing people by touching them, he derived a whole bunch of cures for diseases using biology and chemistry.

Or if he invented the warp drive I would most certainly believe in him with all my heart.

Instead he just walked around and talked. He didn't even make any significant contributions to the field of carpentry!

[BigDongedHoe]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

What makes Christ so easy to worship and effortless for most people is that there's sooo little information about him that you can assume the best and manufacture what you want to believe about him.

That's what makes faith, faith. There will always be unanswered questions and things you can't fathom but ultimately faith carries me past those questions.

I don't manufacture what I want to believe about him, what I believe comes directly from scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness"

[ninjaface]

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

I don't manufacture what I want to believe about him, what I believe comes directly from scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness"

Again we are back to this. You didn't answer me last time, so hopefully you will this time.

So "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness"?

Ok. What about this gem also from good old Timbo:

11 Women should learn in silence and all humility. 12 I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; they must keep quiet.
1 Timothy 2:11-12

Or this:

11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12

Or this:

Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV

Theres tons more shit like this all throughout the bible.

[BigDongedHoe]

Are you inferring that Men are superior to Women in the bible? The bible makes it very clear for the man to be the spiritual leader. Women were also created out of Man's breast. I'm not sure what you're question or point is?

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

A couple points not for argument sake at all but food for thought. Islam is not only the biggest religion in the world but also the fastest growing.

Islam is not the biggest religion in the world, Christianity is. You're not oppressed.

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

Where Christianity is different than any other religion in the world. Christianity is the only religion with a living God, every other religion worships a God who is dead, and full well believed to be dead.

Wat? Jesus Christ is dead. Period. Whether he was the actual son of god or not, he's still dead, thus Christians worship a dead god. Other gods were "born of" humans and walked the earth as well, namely in Greek mythology and Hindu avatars.

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

There is also reasoning for this and that is Christianity is the only religion that you don't have to earn your way into heaven. Muslim's, hindu's, buddhists, etc. all have to earn there way into heaven by works and daily prayer rituals. Which would explain more of there devotion and actions.

You most certainly have to earn your way into heaven. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, I seem to distinctly remember being told If I wanted to go to heaven, I couldn't pray to God, I had to go through Jesus and accept him into my heart. I had to ask him for forgiveness if I sinned and "truly repent" to get into heaven. That being said, the entire Christian viewpoint on this is an affront to reason and morality because in theory you could be a murderer your entire life, then ask forgiveness, and truly mean it (whatever that means), and you get into heaven. There is no standard candle of "earning the afterlife" in religion.

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

Another way Christianity is different is that its popping up in all parts of the world far and wide. Muslim converts, tribes in jungles in New Guinea, and even Japan all have experienced the love of Christ. People aren't worshiping Allah in the middle of no where but you can guarantee Christ is being worshiped in all parts of the world.

Pretty easy to do when your churches fund projects to send missionaries all over the world to spread myths of a loving and forgiving creator to explain the things in their lives primitive people can't understand, especially when he replaces a primitive god. (I still think Christianity is primitive, but it's current followers have done such a good job adapting Christianity to science!)

[BigDongedHoe]

I'm not getting into a pissing contest blonde because anybody could twist things to say what they want. I can only simply say Christ impacted my life and I know he's real. I'm sorry that you can't believe or accept that.

As far as Christianity being the biggest religion in the world you're wrong. As I mentioned above thats including Roman Catholics and numerous denominations that I don't consider all being true believers. Islam is the biggest and fastest growing religion in the world.

Jesus is not dead, he is risen. A non-believer could not understand because you don't see with believer eyes. I used to read scripture and not think anything of it. I'd sit through hours of classes thinking "this is ridiculous bullshit". Now that I read scripture with believer eyes it takes on an entirely different meaning for me.

[BigDongedHoe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Pretty easy to do when your churches fund projects to send missionaries all over the world to spread myths of a loving and forgiving creator to explain the things in their lives primitive people can't understand, especially when he replaces a primitive god. (I still think Christianity is primitive, but it's current followers have done such a good job adapting Christianity to science!)

I guess these missionaries have had the power to brainwash thousands of people into believing what they believe. You can believe your explanation and I'll know that its Christ working in the hearts of people who yearn for his love.

[Der Fuhrer]

It sounds like you've been brainwashed by some christian organization. Did you go to a religious college? Did you have mandatory chapel? Did your priest ever touch you? Clearly your mind is not your own.

Tell me, when did your mind change from thinking, "this is ridiculous bullshit" to "I believe" ? Just curious. Not tryin to bust balls.

[BigDongedHoe]

Originally Posted by Der Fuhrer

Did you go to a religious college? Did you have mandatory chapel?

Yes and Yes. I would sign into chapels then sneak into a room and study during the chapel and sign out. So I never actually went to a chapel the last two years I was there. So out of the hundreds I was supposed to go to over 4 years I maybe went to 20. I coincidentally did not become a believer until after I graduated and left the school. I don't have a testimony of a certain moment where I became a believer. At some point in the last 6-8 months Christ impacted my life. Thats really all I can say

[ninjaface]

Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe

Are you inferring that Men are superior to Women in the bible? The bible makes it very clear for the man to be the spiritual leader. Women were also created out of Man's breast. I'm not sure what you're question or point is?

My point is that there is quite a bit of fucked up shit in the bible, and with your special little quote, you've basically said it is all true and right and good.

My question is.. how the fuck can you think that? What about the kids making fun of the bald guy and then cursing them in the lords name and god sending bears to kill all 42 of them. That is fucking absurd. Yet from what you stated, "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness".

You claim to accept everything in the bible, but none of the aforementioned absurdity that you can't twist to fit into your schema.

[Repugnant Abomination]

I know you're not interested in debating your faith, BDH, but I am genuinely curious about what Ninjaface asked you. How do you reconcile the good stuff in the Bible with the bad? It just really comes off as cherry picking the parts you like and ignoring the bad - but if it's all the word of God, then it all must be true.

Gender equality aside, I'm particularly interested to hear what you think about demons. Most of you know the story of my mom by now, so I won't go into it in detail. But needless to say there was a large number of Christians in her life who believed she was sick because of demons inside of her. And yes, this is supported by scripture:

Matthew 10:1: "And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease."

This is just one example from dozens of scriptures. At this point it's not as emotional of an issue for me anymore, and I don't expect you to magically convince all of us we're wrong or anything, I'd just really like to hear your take on this issue.

[Mr. Blonde]

It's pretty clear he believes it's the truth, the word of god himself, due to his personal, subjective experience with his life and the way scripture has affected it. Therefore it must be the ultimate truth. I really don't think there's much more to it than that.

[BigDongedHoe]

Do I believe in demons? Absolutely. I believe there are people that are demon possessed. I could share a story of a Christian man whom I respect as much as any person I know having a personal account of a demon. This man is not a liar, not a story teller, and not somebody who says things for attention or to be boastful. He literally had a real encounter with a demon possessed man. This said same man went to a Church here in Warsaw regularly. He stepped foot in there for 3 weeks when one of the pastors got the church elders together and said he was possessed when nobody else seemed to pick up on it. As crazy I as I know I may sound to you, do I believe it could be possible your mom was demon possessed? Absolutely. That doesn't mean she was or wasn't because I personally don't know. I do remember reading some of what your sister does and to me it doesn't sound like she's a believer as much as she's in a cultish type faith, again I can't judge for certain cause I don't know her.

As far as cherry picking parts of the bible thats simply not true. Look I'm young in my faith, I don't have all the answers. As much as I'd like to answer some questions with an explanation I simply can't. All I can tell you is that when you know Christ and he makes himself apparent to you it's no longer grey it becomes black and white. He's as real as computer I'm typing on and I believe this with 100% certainty and faith. Scripture speaks of nonbelievers basically going to call myself crazy and denouncing him for my faith. I'm not surprised as to why a non-believer can't understand. I never could understand but now that I do life really takes on a completely different meaning.

Back to taking parts of scripture you have to take the context of the Old Testament vs. the New. From my understanding (I could be wrong) the Old Testament is a historical account of the Hebrew's. The Hebrew's were for the most part violent people and a lot of what was written was a historical account of this. The entire Old Testament is a historical account of them along with the prophecies made about Christ being born of a virgin woman on earth. The Old Testament is included in the Q'uran (sp?, It is the Muslim "bible" for those that are unaware) and I believe in the Hindhu faith as well. Everything in the Old Testament is referred to as "B.C.".

The New Testament starts with the 4 gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) which are the 33 years that Jesus was alive on earth. Everything after these 33 years are referred to as "A.D." The New Testament is really what drives our faith as believers. Because it is different from any other set of scripture. The Old Testament should not be ignored because it is clear that all scripture is God-Breathed. But the Old Testament should be interpreted differently because it was before Christ walked the earth. Again I don't know if all of this is 100% right but from my studies I believe this is fairly accurate.

This might be one of the last posts I make. Depending on what questions are asked. Is answering questions and respectully letting people know why I believe what I believe acceptable? Yes. I will not however argue (Blonde, Ninja, Deh F(whatever your name is)) as scripture makes it very clear not too: Proverbs 26:4-5 "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes." I can again only tell you that my life was impacted by the Holy Spirit and I believe with believer eyes.

[BigDongedHoe]

Originally Posted by ninjaface

My point is that there is quite a bit of fucked up shit in the bible, and with your special little quote, you've basically said it is all true and right and good.

My question is.. how the fuck can you think that? What about the kids making fun of the bald guy and then cursing them in the lords name and god sending bears to kill all 42 of them. That is fucking absurd. Yet from what you stated, "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness".

You claim to accept everything in the bible, but none of the aforementioned absurdity that you can't twist to fit into your schema.

I'm unaware of the story you're talking about. What scripture are you referring too?

I'm not schemeing scripture, some scripture isn't fun and uplifting. Some scripture doesn't leave you feeling good and great about yourself. Some of it isn't fun to hear and read. I never claimed any of these things.