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Johnny Richter · 06-23-2018, 06:02 AM

Everything is everything, dude

Dent · 07-02-2018, 11:13 AM

Yes A=A
A ≠ almost A, pretend A, a or lord forgive, B!

Dent · 02-22-2019, 01:28 PM

first there was nothing then there was something then there was nothing forevermore
stupid fairytale.. real naturalists know that you ain't goin nowhere!

This paper critiques the widespread secular misunderstanding of death as a plunge into oblivion. It uses a thought experiment about personal identity similar to those employed by British philosopher Derek Parfit in his tour de force Reasons and Persons. By degrees, the reader is supposed to see that the notion of a blank or emptiness following death is incoherent, and that therefore we should not anticipate the end of experience when we die. This conclusion has a bit of a mystical feel to it, even though the premises are naturalistic.

"After death we won't experience non-being, we won't "fade to black." We continue as the generic subjectivity that always finds itself here, in the various contexts of awareness that the physical universe manages to create. So when I recommend that you look forward to the (continuing) sense of always having been here, construe that "you" not as a particular person, but as that condition of awareness, which although manifesting itself in finite subjectivities, nevertheless always finds itself present."

https://www.naturalism.org/philosoph...HbHJBc2HOw1br0

Dent · 03-04-2019, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent

Everything you've ever seen or experienced is a miniature internal replica inside your head.
Nondualita - STEVEN LEHAR - YouTube

guys guys I still buy this and it's fucked up what you think of as being outside of your head is actually inside damn

Orgazmo · 03-04-2019, 11:57 AM

Ah fuck.

When I realized what this was saying, it really, really made me feel uneasy.

I still do. A bit claustrophobic.

Dent · 03-13-2019, 08:51 AM

Yeah it wasn't until a few months ago that I had a feeling of understanding this.. I was looking at a forest seemingly stretching for miles. to consider that all of this is going on in a 3lb lump of neural porridge really opens everything up...

"it turns out I think that this experience that we have is actually what our brain is doing, this universe that we experience is a dream generated by our brain, the same circuitry that produces our dreams at night produces a dream during the day"

Orgazmo · 03-13-2019, 11:12 AM

...and it "clicking" is also the brain understanding what it's been doing all along.

Dent · 03-15-2019, 06:48 AM

The brain is wider than the sky

Johnny Richter · 03-18-2019, 07:18 PM

So you’re saying that my dick is actually in my brain. Wow far out dude.

Orgazmo · 03-19-2019, 11:49 AM

If you're persistent enough (and willing to face the impending charges), your dick can be in anyone's brain.

Dent · 04-10-2019, 02:01 PM

They think they're seen a black hole

Dent · 07-30-2019, 10:28 AM

Panpsychism is becoming mainstream, Sam Harris and his wife have pretty much adopted it.. a bunch of the new atheists are too.
accepting that consciousness is real and needs explaining is kinda scary if you've been doing the religion debate for a while.. it opens up plenty of unknown room to fit a god in, but it's not needed you can accept experience as being a wholly natural physical going on without explaining it away.

I've flirted a tiny bit with cosmopsychism, living in a universe that seems like it could have value and disvalue and meaning is strange.

going from value realism (my experience is bad for me) to moral realism (I should be doing something to stop the badness of something that i'm not in direct contact) is a move I don't know how to make, even assuming that every experience going on in space time is [blonde] me, I fuck over my future self daily, probably gave 50 year old dent cancer. wrapping this all up as "ignorance" is alright for now but becoming un-ignorant needs explaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb6AEFpuLoo

Dent · 07-30-2019, 10:59 AM

trivago Academy - Galileo?s Error with Dr. Philip Goff - YouTube

Very good talk on the greatest riddle of all time!

Understanding how brains produce consciousness is one of the great scientific challenges of our age. Some philosophers argue that the mystery is so deep it will never be solved. Others believe our standard scientific methods for investigating the brain will eventually produce an answer.

A new and revolutionary movement pushes a third way: we struggle to explain consciousness because physical science, as we currently conceive it, is not designed to deal with the issue. Building on the themes of his forthcoming book Galileo’s Error: Foundations for a New Science of Consciousness, Dr Philip Goff will explain how the philosophical underpinnings of the scientific revolution created the problem of consciousness in the first place, and what we need to do to solve it.

Dent · 11-23-2019, 12:14 PM

Hey look how ahead of the curve I was ok panpsychism it's pretty popular now Sam Harris wife wrote a book on it and so on I'm good

Dent · 11-23-2019, 05:31 PM

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/...846046018.html

‘Suddenly the universe appears in a new and much more revealing perspective. A splendid introduction to this fascinating idea' Philip Pullman

From a leading philosopher of mind comes this lucid, provocative argument that offers a radically new picture of human consciousness―panpsychism.

Dent · 01-14-2020, 11:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_IyE1rIqL0

Dese days I side more with christian idealists than consciousness fucking deniers

Dent · 01-24-2020, 06:03 AM

https://critique-of-pure-interest.bl...n-duality.html

Dent · 03-09-2020, 12:13 PM

How the fuck are materialism and panpsychism empirically equivalent?

Mr. Blonde · 03-11-2020, 11:51 PM

Mr. Blonde · 03-11-2020, 11:58 PM

The answer ain't in them books or in the mind, well at least not in the rational Western mind, boy.

Dent · 03-12-2020, 02:45 AM

Well what does empirical mean to you?

Dent · 03-12-2020, 05:03 AM

"The penalty of not doing philosophy isn't to transcend it, but simply to give bad philosophical arguments a free pass."
This nigga thinks he transcended.
I think materialism or anything that doesn't include the most concrete fact that we know to exist, the contents of our experience is false.

I still haven't found a way out of solipsism of the here-and-now. Getting out seems to require "blind animal faith"

Mr. Blonde · 03-12-2020, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent

Well what does empirical mean to you?

What does being alive as a human being, owner of one of the most privileged and evolved nervous systems in the galaxy, mean to you?

Mr. Blonde · 03-12-2020, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent

I still haven't found a way out of solipsism of the here-and-now. Getting out seems to require "blind animal faith"

Quoting this for posterity. Here and now is all you ever have.

Dent · 03-13-2020, 12:47 PM

"So You Think That There Is A Mind-Independent Physical Reality" - YouTube

How many of you agree with Berkeley on that? *scowls* I knew it, not one!

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Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,966 Internets: 278288	The answer ain't in them books or in the mind, well at least not in the rational Western mind, boy.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

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Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 2,979 Internets: 138628	Yeah it wasn't until a few months ago that I had a feeling of understanding this.. I was looking at a forest seemingly stretching for miles. to consider that all of this is going on in a 3lb lump of neural porridge really opens everything up... "it turns out I think that this experience that we have is actually what our brain is doing, this universe that we experience is a dream generated by our brain, the same circuitry that produces our dreams at night produces a dream during the day"

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Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,453 Internets: 299660	...and it "clicking" is also the brain understanding what it's been doing all along.

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Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 2,979 Internets: 138628	Well what does empirical mean to you?

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Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 2,979 Internets: 138628	"The penalty of not doing philosophy isn't to transcend it, but simply to give bad philosophical arguments a free pass." This nigga thinks he transcended. I think materialism or anything that doesn't include the most concrete fact that we know to exist, the contents of our experience is false. I still haven't found a way out of solipsism of the here-and-now. Getting out seems to require "blind animal faith"