Overall Political Postings (not just about Ron Paul)

[Saint DH]

Mr. Blonde, I'm going to have to respectfully ask you to take your own life after making that post. Do it now. I would like to see you hang if you don't mind.

[Mr. Blonde]

FOX News | College Turns Students Into Liberals

"The study also says college actually "dumbs kids down" when it comes to basic questions of civic literacy"

"It turns out that propaganda works..."

"So when we go $100,000 in debt to pay for college, is it better to **not go to college at all than to get this kind of education?**'

"What is the answer here, how do we FIX this??? If degrees are making graduates moer likely to support same-sex marriage, abortion, less likely to support school prayer and American work ethic, how do you fix this?"

THE ANSWER: "Diversity"

Sensationalist extrapolation of surveys at it's finest.

[Beebs]

Any mention of the excess of Che T shirts (bought with credit card)?

[Saint DH]

University campuses are some of the most extreme liberal places on the Earth. It makes perfect sense to conclude that individuals less confident in their beliefs could easily be swayed to the left end of the spectrum. Especially when 99% of the professors are also huge liberals. These are the people that students look to for guidance, information, and knowledge. Many of them try to re-write history and use their influence to suade students to their beliefs.

[Fruitacious B]

Most of the coolest professors I've met were morally liberal, yet fiscally conservative. Libertarian? maybe. Blatantly liberal? no.


College students have a problem with convincing themselves that moral issues (abortion, religion, gay rights, etc) are the only issues that matter...and are willing to let all else fall by the wayside in pursuit of those issues.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by Fruitacious B

College students have a problem with convincing themselves that moral issues (abortion, religion, gay rights, etc) are the only issues that matter...and are willing to let all else fall by the wayside in pursuit of those issues.

Very well said, Fruit. I argued with more than just a couple of the posters on here last election season about how things like gay rights, abortion, etc are issues that should really be viewed as second in terms of importance to the country and that the economy should be viewed as most important. Without responsible government spending and good economic practice, the wealth of a country deteriorates and suddenly things like gay rights, etc don't matter as much. Put it this way: I'd rather live in a first-rate nation that is still working out some kinks with regards to social issues than a second rate nation where gays are allowed to get married but unemployment is 15% and GDP per capita has cratered.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Very well said, Fruit. I argued with more than just a couple of the posters on here last election season about how things like gay rights, abortion, etc are issues that should really be viewed as second in terms of importance to the country and that the economy should be viewed as most important. Without responsible government spending and good economic practice, the wealth of a country deteriorates and suddenly things like gay rights, etc don't matter as much. Put it this way: I'd rather live in a first-rate nation that is still working out some kinks with regards to social issues than a second rate nation where gays are allowed to get married but unemployment is 15% and GDP per capita has cratered.

Guilty.

I've had a real political awakening in the last few years - incremental, but steady. When Bush was sworn into office I was all of 18 years old, politically clueless and apathetic. I went to college, hung out with some pretty smart people, and realized how important social liberty was for me. Republicans turned me off primarily because they're so socially conservative and religious (I suppose the two go hand in hand). When Bush gave the wealthiest 10% of the population tax cuts, I was annoyed because I lacked any understanding as to why. I thought he was just repaying the rich people who helped get him elected.

Fast forward to, oh, about 2006. I learn about Ron Paul, about Libertarianism, and I find it extremely appealing. Of all the political parties, I agree with this one most. Paul really thrusted me into the ideas behind personal liberty, which fit perfectly into my preferences for liberal social policies. But I was still clueless about economics.

Campaign time. Resentment for Bush is at an all time high. Obama is a fantastic orator and McCain just promises more of the same Bush policies. But unlike most, I wasn't enthralled with Obama. I thought he was the better option, not because he would be our first black president, or I liked the ideas of "change" - I thought he was better because he seemed more pragmatic on foreign policy. McCain always struck me as a hawk. Someone who would be too confrontational with the likes of Russia and China. Obama promised to mend the Neo Cons bullying by having America listen first, and then act. He just seemed more level headed. Ironically I now wish Obama would be firmer on China.

Shit begins to collapse under Bush. We head towards recession just as Obama is taking over. They cite lack of regulations for all our problems - free market economics is under attack. Sure, I think. That sounds smart - I'm a writing major.

The right starts blowing the whistle on Socialism. I discover Peter Schiff, and he knocks my socks off. Whereas Paul reinforced my social liberty beliefs, Schiff helped me to understand (to a degree, anyway) the economic side of it. Suddenly it all fit together. It echoes the sentiments of some of my favorite early Americans, like Emerson and Thoreau, and more importantly, I find that it is on the right side of history. I can't find one example of far left policies leading to anything but state control, one party rule, or dictatorship.

[Saint DH]

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Guilty.

I can't find one example of far left policies leading to anything but state control, one party rule, or dictatorship.

So true.

[SittinOnDubsWGW]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

I'd rather live in a first-rate nation that is still working out some kinks with regards to social issues than a second rate nation where gays are allowed to get married but unemployment is 15% and GDP per capita has cratered.

You said my thoughts better than I could have, especially with this statement.

[Mr. Blonde]

Whatever happened to Dirty Harry? Did I miss something on my trip?

Also what do you guys think of this?

RealClearMarkets - Deficits Up, Unemployment Up

[Repugnant Abomination]

Speaking of...

BBC News - California 'fiscal emergency' declared

[zebrazebrazebraSHAFT]

I've been hearing so many different economic forecasts lately its tough to really know. I'm inclined to think that as long as the federal reserve is running our money supply and setting interest rates unaudited, were gonna be fucked for a while.

[Mr. Blonde]

Jon Stewart's 'Rally to Restore Sanity' already outpacing Glenn Beck's rally - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com

[Fruitacious B]

Christine O'Donnell Questions Separation of Church and State. Actually, she just doesn't know the first Amendment . The beautiful part is that it happened in front of an audience of law students.

[Mr. Blonde]

Just woke up[ to reading that ^. F3lix, I suppose you're going to defend her for this as well?

[f3lix]

I'd like to hear the entire thing and not just a sound byte.

[Dent]

YouTube

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[Mr. Blonde]

Her trying to separate creationism and Intelligent Design and her huge misunderstanding of the theory of evolution = Infuriating.

When she was clueless about the 1st Amendment I liked how Coons just sat back and let her do his job for him.

Her fucking Sturgeon face towards the end when she kept asking him to reaffirm that it's part of the 1st amendment was highly annoying, as well. Does she think he's wrong? This is RIDICULOUS.

[f3lix]

I'm in class and catch watch the video yet, but I'd like to rhetorically point out how not knowing the constitution is not much different than knowing it and intentionally using it as toilet paper.

I'll comment when I can watch it later today.

[f3lix]

We should note that "separation of church and state" does not show up anywhere in the Constitution. O'Donnell was either dead on by getting Coons to admit that he doesn't know the first amendment or she honestly didn't know the Constitution. It's actually not easy to tell and most of our opinions are coming from her comments of the past. The first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

I read the transcript of the debate and (since I can't watch the video yet) wonder if the video stops before O'Donnell asking Coons if he can name the five freedoms of the first amendment and he could only name one.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Goddamn you suck, Felix.

[f3lix]

Repug, a good debate has come forth from her comments. Perhaps instead of just acting pissed that I am not blindly accepting a generic interpretation of the first amendment, we should discuss why it is or isn't appropriate.

[f3lix]

I just watched the video. I found the whole thing interesting. Of course, Coons comes off much better in this clip, and O'Donnell looks awful. The line of questioning is pretty shitty, though. Being asked if one would repeal 3 amendments is ridiculous. It's being asked in a manner that she, as a senator, would do this by herself. I also doubt that the majority of candidates running for senate in this whole country could name all the amendments on the spot. This isn't a fucking quiz show. I also find it frustrating that Coons didn't know 4 of the 5 freedoms in the first amendment, but nobody is paying attention to that.

[f3lix]

And... that government did not run education when the first amendment was written, therefore there is no wording in the Constitution about it being taught or avoided in schools. I personally agree with Coons that creationism should not be taught in public schools.

[Repugnant Abomination]

You're pulling the same thing her campaign management did - total damage control. By taking an over-literal stance on her response you're downplaying the obvious. Of course it doesn't say word-for-word "separation of church and state" but we all know that's not what she meant. The first amendment prohibits making any law respecting an establishment of religion, including the state level.

What really gets to me though is how these creationists try to pass their archaic doctrines as science. They were beaten in the courts, Kiltzmiller vs Dover School District, and that should be the end of it. So what do they do? They try to change the constitution. Coons is right. If you want a religious education go to church or go to private school. This garbage has no place in our public education system.

Here's a great documentary covering the Kiltzmiller vs Dover trial:

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