Keep the downloading going...

[buckeye]

Kazaa announced earlier that it would sue the RIAA and other entertainment companies for copyright infringment. Wait did I hear that right? They are suing for exactly what they are being sued for, wtf? Well as many of you may know the RIAA had started to track down individual users who were sharing files. They cannot track anyone by using Kazaa since that is in direct violation of the end-user agreement, so instead they used Kazaa Lite (the ad free version)to track the file-sharers and obtain their ip address, name, etc, etc. However there is one small problem with this Kazaa Lite is a hacked version of Kazaa, and therefore is illegal, and that just so happens to be a direct violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Violation. Those hypocritical bastards. Things are looking good right now for file sharing users, if this goes through and Kazaa wins the lawsuit, there isnt much hope for entertainment companies to stop file sharing. This puts a big smile on my face.

[Titan]

Awesome! Then all the recording artists can stop pursuing the creation music because they won't be able to support themselves! That'll be SWEET! That ought to teach those selfish bastards.

[ September 29, 2003, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Titan ]

[Deep Kick]

As much of a queer fuckhead as Titan is, I have to agree with him. Kazaa is stealing. It is easy to rationalize that the recording industry brought it upon themselves, but that doesn't change the fact that when you download music, you are fucking stealing. Sure, it's easy to steal from a faceless organization, but that doesn't make it right.

How the fuck would you feel if you came up with a great idea, produced and marketed it, only to find that it was illegally distributed, thus cutting your profit margin to a minimum. You'd be super-fucking-pissed.

Now, spare me your fucking bullshit rhetoric about how evil the recording industry is, and how they already make too much money. News-fucking-flash: We live in America, a capitolist country. Therefore, companies have the full right to charge whatever the fuck they want. If you think that kazaa should be left open, then you are in essence saying you want a socialist economy. Stupid bastards.

[Alpha]

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
How the fuck would you feel if you came up with a great idea, produced and marketed it, only to find that it was illegally distributed, thus cutting your profit margin to a minimum. You'd be super-fucking-pissed.

Not if I was a band from an obscure town that never had been signed and recieved publicity through Kazaa and other music sharing programs such as thus. It's not stealing, it's sampling. It's just a musical version of Baskin Robbins via the internet.

I'm not made of money and only want to buy a CD when absolutley necessary. If you had your way Deep Kick, I'd still be listening to shitty music only played on MTV because I'd have no way in hell to recieve or discover the music I truely love. Fuck you and you're conservative rich boy whining.

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
Sure, it's easy to steal from a faceless organization, but that doesn't make it right.

It's easy to steal from homeless people and I see no wrong in that. Do you?

[bitch]

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
I fucking wasted 30 seconds of my life downloading a song by them. They should rename themselves the Polyfucking-terrible spree. Fucking queers.

Don't steal from the hippies.

[Deep Kick]

First of all, I must note, I am a fucking hypocrite. Big fucking deal; we all are in one way or another.

Next: Alpha

Not if I was a band from an obscure town that never had been signed and recieved publicity through Kazaa and other music sharing programs such as thus. It's not stealing, it's sampling. It's just a musical version of Baskin Robbins via the internet.

How fucking often does this happen? Hardly-fucking-ever. And, supposing it does, do you go out and buy that band's cd then? If you answer yes, you are either a fucking liar, or a statistical anomaly.

The basis of your "sampling logic" is flawed. Because, if people only sampled the music, then logically they would delete it if they didn't like it, or buy the cd if they did. There is no in between, dipshit. Record sales are down... Perhaps it's due to the shitty quality of recent releases. However, more realisitically, it's due to people like you, Alpha, who download entire cd's.

And yes, stealing from the homeless is wrong. Afterall, how do you feel when someone steals from you? I'd like to get an inside opinion here, seeing as you are homeless and all.

And for the record, I'm a liberal, you fucking queer-ass-stupid-bitch.

[Osiris]

One time I kicked a liberal in the face.

[Demitri]

If you press record when you hear a song on the radio is that illegial? because they are giving you a free service should you beable to record that?

[ September 29, 2003, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: Demitri ]

[bitch]

For the record, I don't really want to hear from a fucking hypocrite like you.

If you download music and keep your mouth shut, that's one thing. However, if you tell everyone how bad it is because its stealing, but you still do it, you're a fucking douche bag.

[Deep Kick]

Hey Bitch, I Guaran-fucking-tee that you are just as big a hypocrite as I am.

Do I download music illegally? Yes. Do I buy cd's? Yes. Do I consider it immoral to download entire cd's with the sole intent of getting someone eles's work for free? Yes.

Fucker.

[bitch]

And your point is....

[Demitri]

Well for you information how many people really download a whole cd. because the main reason we downoload songs is because we only like 1 or 2 of the songs on the damn thing!

[Deep Kick]

My point is Bitch, yes, I am hypocritical. However, I am not hypocritical to the point where it voids my previous arguments. Therefore suck a dick you fucking bitch.

Demitri: I sympathize with this. However, it still doesn't change the fact that you are stealing 1 or 2 songs from an artist.

[Saint DH]

The only reason I download is to steal as much music as possible. I'm not gonna lie about it.

[Deep Kick]

Honesty is commendable, even if it does make you a dirty bastard in this case.

[Pliedes]

Hey, not all of us use Kazaa to steal music... some of us use it to steal porn

[bert]

i've still yet to see what point deep kick is tryin to get at. i agree you shouldnt download whole cd's if you really are downloading whole cd's you are fucking nuts cuase i've yet to see a cd come out that every song on it is outstanding.
deep kick, why do you download 1 or 2 songs from cds if you think it is wrong. it doesnt make sence, but yet you go ahead and call us all these fucking names but yet you are doing the exact same thing we are

just out of curiousity, evey tell how many download songs they have on there computer

[Niger Angelus]

998, I had to clean house on the gay ass-shit that was on my PC when I added my folder to my notebook.

[Schroeder]

I use Kazaa mainly for cartoons. Sealab 2021, woohoo!

[Deep Kick]

What I'm getting at, bert, is that downloading music with the intent of never supporting the producing artist, is wrong. That's my thesis statement.

Do I do it? Occasionally, however I try to keep it to a minimum

[bert]

alright, say you support DMB, you go to there concerts you occasionally buy there cd's but not all the time and then you download one of there cds, is this considered wrong cuase at the time you didnt feel like spending money on a new cd when you can get it for free?

deep kick how many download songs do you have on your computer?

[the_butcher]

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
Next: Alpha
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
Not if I was a band from an obscure town that never had been signed and recieved publicity through Kazaa and other music sharing programs such as thus. It's not stealing, it's sampling. It's just a musical version of Baskin Robbins via the internet.

How fucking often does this happen? Hardly-fucking-ever. And, supposing it does, do you go out and buy that band's cd then? If you answer yes, you are either a fucking liar, or a statistical anomaly.</font>[/quote]How often? How about very fucking often. Most of my music is that of bands which are unsigned and unsupported by anyone but themselves. By me downloading music of that band then discovering I like them and want to support them wrong? Hell no it's not, when in most cases the music is released by the band. Pull your head out of your ass and be more aware of the things going on in the world, not just the things you want to see.

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
If you answer yes, you are either a fucking liar, or a statistical anomaly.

Or they are just someone who is telling the truth because that's what they actually do. Again, you proclaim what you think is going on, when in reality it's not at all, you stupid piece of shit.

Originally posted by Deep Kick:
...then logically they would delete it if they didn't like it, or buy the cd if they did.

And you're telling me that you keep all of those songs that you don't like? You just leave them there on your computer for other people to "steal"? You're fucking retarded. I can also say that in almost every case of myself downloading a full cd, if I liked it, I fucking bought it, no questions asked.

Fuck you for being a liberal, unaware, worthles piece of shit.

[ September 29, 2003, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: the_butcher ]

[Mister Bater]

I actually agree with Deep Kick on this one, but he's being way too hostile to take his points seriously. I'll just sum up my views for you, after which you are free to bash away.

Whether you like it or not, the RIAA exists. Kazaa will not win against the RIAA because there is way too much legal precedent in the RIAA's favor. If you like music, you'll keep buying cds. If everyone quits buying in protest, the cost will drop but music will no longer be produced. Just support the bands you like, and pay a $1 per song from some service like iTunes. It's much better than the RIAA and everyone else getting pissed and destroying the music industry as we know it.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Mister Bater:
If you like music, you'll keep buying cds.

That's all we need right there.
I don't know what the fuck's with all this moral dilemma shit. Who gives a fuck whether you feel that sharing music you don't own is right or wrong? You should give a fuck that downloading is hurting the very thing you're wanting to download.

[Ugly Bastard]

Downloading music is a bad thing in the long-run, but it's not going to be stopped anytime soon. There are too many loopholes that file-sharing sites have to get through. The RIAA has been trying to stop these sites for years, and look how far they've come...basically nowhere. Nothing is going to change the fact that at any moment in time, any one of us can get just about any song we want from Kazaa. Is it wrong? Probably, but being the conceited bastard I am, you won't see me quitting anytime soon.

And for the record: Because of things like Kazaa and EMule, I am more of a music fan today than I ever was back in the days when I bought CDs. I am 10 times more inclined to go see bands like the Foo Fighters, Audioslave, Audiovent, or Coldplay in concert now; whereas before, you'd be lucky if I could name one of their songs.

-Ugly Bastard