Meaningful Music -- That Fucking Sucks - Nubblies.net Forums

ProfessorNumber · 12-23-2008, 09:05 PM

I've been meaning to discuss this issue for a long time. That said, what is the easiest way to tell when someone is about to share a dog-shit song with? I'd like to paint a hypothetical picture here -- one which I'm sure many of you can relate to.

You're talking with a friend -- over drinks, during a car ride, etc. All of a sudden he stops everything and with a very excited look on his face he says, "Dude, you gotta hear this song I just got. It's SOOO powerful, and it really makes you think! SSHHHHHHhh, listen to the lyrics!! Seriously, SSHhhhh!" At this point you're willing to give your annoying friend's music a shot, despite the fact that the recording quality is terrible, or the vocals are so bad you can't understand the "awesome" lyrics. After about 30 seconds of pretending to enjoy the dog-shit music, with a stupid smile on your face, your friend looks at you intently for approval "Isn't this AWESOME!!! this guy is so talented. Like, he's good at singing, but it's his lyrics that are so meaningful. **End scenario.

If I'm actually somewhat close friends with a person doing this to me, I'll usually patronize them and tell them "it's okay". If I'm not, I'll usually tell them that it fucking sucked and that their taste in music is absolutely awful.

At this point, you may be wondering what the point of this thread is. The point is, the vast majority of "meaningful music" that I'm forced to hear is fucking terrible. Take for instance the genre of unkown rap, or "underground rap". These artists (if you can even call them that) sound a bit like Common, or old Kanye West. There lyrics are composed of "socially compelling issues", which almost always revolve around social inequity, growing up in "da hood", or some other commentary about what's wrong with our society. I fucking hate these artists/groups. I don't give a motherfuck how tough your youth was, or if you're concerned about minorities not being able to get jobs. That's not creative at all. It's the same mindless-fucking-drivel over and over.

SO, when someone forces me to listen to this horse-shit rap, and then procedes to tell me how moving it was, I honestly want to punch them in the gut. That type of rap is fucking boring. It's usually very unskilled, as in to say, the rhymes are awful and the vocals are shitty. Sure, these rappers may claim they're not in it for the money, but I would bet my life that if you offered them $1,000,000 to write a cd about money, drugs, hoes, cars, and guns, 99% of them would be more than happy to do so. They would throw their social commentary right out the goddamn window. And, even if they didn't, they would just end up like Kanye West: a fucking piece of shit who sucks more dick than a pornstar. I hate you Kanye.

Now, just to throw in my hypocritical disclaimer, I'm not claiming that people should listen to music solely for it's auditory quality. I'm just saying there are certain genre's of music that FUCKING SUCK. If you are one of those assholes who makes people listen to dog-shit music just because you think it's meanginful, then Fuck You. Despite how much these artists suck, people still seem to think they are truly moving. Coldplay is not moving or meaningful. Underground Rap is not moving or meaningful. Kanye West has less talent (both vocally and lyrically) than a can of Diet Dr. Pepper. ANY one guy playing a guitar by himself, and being narcissistic enough to record and distribute it, is a fucking douche. People like these are not talented, and do not produce meaningful music. End of story.

Mr. Blonde · 12-23-2008, 09:07 PM

lyrics are generally shit, i admire good lyricists, but don't put much meaning behind them. I'm much more likely to bond to a song due to the rhythm and actual musical quality than the lyrics. Which is probably why I hate screamo so fucking much. More often than not, bitches love to think that the lyrics of a particular song apply to their lives exactly. Women also have the most vivid imaginations on the planet.

For more information, refer to "True Love"

Orgazmo · 12-23-2008, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

lyrics are generally shit, i admire good lyricists, but don't put much meaning behind them. I'm much more likely to bond to a song due to the rhythm and actual musical quality than the lyrics. Which is probably why I hate screamo so fucking much. More often than not, bitches love to think that the lyrics of a particular song apply to their lives exactly. Women also have the most vivid imaginations on the planet.

For more information, refer to "True Love"

Your lyrics are shit, like when I cop a squat
Who told you you could fuck with the mighty papa doc
For steppin on stage I should rock ya spot
Don't get too close or you might get shot.

-The Mighty Papa Doc

Mr. Blonde · 12-23-2008, 09:17 PM

YouTube - 8 MILE - Final Freestyle rabbit Vs poppa doc

Repugnant Abomination · 12-23-2008, 10:03 PM

In general I think music is a poor platform to "discuss" meaningful topics. Songs are on average about three minutes long and repeat themselves a lot, so nothing very insightful can be gleamed from them. It's a nice way for pseudo intellectuals to feel like they're engaging in something worth thinking about.

I'm with Blonde on this one; it's more about the beat and rhythm for me. If the lyrics are good then that's a plus, but meaningful is a stretch.

I think, though, that the point we may be missing is that listening to music isn't supposed to be a something that's intellectual. Music's greatest strength is that it plays to our emotions. I think your friend would be more accurate if they said that it makes them feel something. I mean just listen to one of your favorite songs where you think the lyrics are good, and then read the lyrics outloud to yourself with no music with it. Big difference. The music elevates it a great deal.

Orgazmo · 12-23-2008, 10:08 PM

But it oft times does rhyme. Give credit where credit is due, Repug.

ProfessorNumber · 12-24-2008, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

In general I think music is a poor platform to "discuss" meaningful topics. Songs are on average about three minutes long and repeat themselves a lot, so nothing very insightful can be gleamed from them. It's a nice way for pseudo intellectuals to feel like they're engaging in something worth thinking about.

I'm with Blonde on this one; it's more about the beat and rhythm for me. If the lyrics are good then that's a plus, but meaningful is a stretch.

I think, though, that the point we may be missing is that listening to music isn't supposed to be a something that's intellectual. Music's greatest strength is that it plays to our emotions. I think your friend would be more accurate if they said that it makes them feel something. I mean just listen to one of your favorite songs where you think the lyrics are good, and then read the lyrics outloud to yourself with no music with it. Big difference. The music elevates it a great deal.

I could not agree more. I'm fairly certain that I've made similar statements on this board in the past. I believe it was in someone's thread (Blonde?) about "crunk" music, which is obviously the lowest common denominator of insightful rap lyrics. My response was that while I love 3/6 Mafia (a rap group which is on the border of crunk music), I love them for their beats, and the overall emotion that their songs convey. Clearly, 3/6's lyrics are not anywhere near moving/meaningful ( "Putcha dick in her mouth, give me head till I'm dead" -- "Oooooh, its cold in here, must be some playas in the atmosphere" ), but yet I enjoy there music for that very reason. The way it makes me feel while I'm listening is important; the lyrics less so.

ProfessorNumber · 12-24-2008, 01:17 AM

Here's a great example of why I'm right:

DOUCHEBAGS:

Oh really? You're going to throw up the black panther sign? Brilliant. You guys are really making great strides for your totally oppressed minority group. Thank you so much for filling the cd players of hundreds of pretentious douche-bags with your dog-shit music. Fuck off.

ENTERTAINING:

(Also one of the best rap CD's ever made). They don't take themselves so seriously, and they don't pretend to champion any causes. Their music is entertaining and I enjoy listening to the great beats and mindless lyrics.

Mr. Blonde · 12-24-2008, 01:30 AM

is this the thread you are referring to, PN?

ProfessorNumber · 12-24-2008, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

is this the thread you are referring to, PN?

Yes, that is in fact the exact thread I was referring to.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 12-24-2008, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beebs

Exactly, 50 cent was a huge underground hit, "how to rob" was getting all sorts of praise, then he gets paid and now the purists aren't allowed to like him anymore. It works this way in all music scenes.

Beebs hit the nail on the head in that thread. Sooo many people love to hate on any band once they "make it" or "sell out" whatever. There will always be the people out there that only like "undiscovered" bands, just so they think they are unique.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 12-24-2008, 08:50 AM

this thread is too corporate

Mr. Blonde · 12-24-2008, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SittinOnDubsWGW

Beebs hit the nail on the head in that thread. Sooo many people love to hate on any band once they "make it" or "sell out" whatever. There will always be the people out there that only like "undiscovered" bands, just so they think they are unique.

While this is true for lots of people, there's also a degree of truth to this, that being; once bands do go mainstream, about half of them start a steady decline of having their music styles change, or even suck. I will never denounce a band simply because they become popular...which is why I still like bands like Coldplay, Muse, Modest Mouse (although modest mouse's music did change quite a bit, I like the change better) etc...these are timeless and I haven't seen much of a decline if any at all in musical quality since becoming mainstream. Then you have bands like The Killers...have you heard their newest single? Fucking horrible.

But I agree, not liking a band simply because they're on the radio is pretty stupid. Everybody needs to make money.

12-23-2008, 09:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	Meaningful Music -- That Fucking Sucks I've been meaning to discuss this issue for a long time. That said, what is the easiest way to tell when someone is about to share a dog-shit song with? I'd like to paint a hypothetical picture here -- one which I'm sure many of you can relate to. You're talking with a friend -- over drinks, during a car ride, etc. All of a sudden he stops everything and with a very excited look on his face he says, "Dude, you gotta hear this song I just got. It's SOOO powerful, and it really makes you think! SSHHHHHHhh, listen to the lyrics!! Seriously, SSHhhhh!" At this point you're willing to give your annoying friend's music a shot, despite the fact that the recording quality is terrible, or the vocals are so bad you can't understand the "awesome" lyrics. After about 30 seconds of pretending to enjoy the dog-shit music, with a stupid smile on your face, your friend looks at you intently for approval "Isn't this AWESOME!!! this guy is so talented. Like, he's good at singing, but it's his lyrics that are so meaningful. **End scenario. If I'm actually somewhat close friends with a person doing this to me, I'll usually patronize them and tell them "it's okay". If I'm not, I'll usually tell them that it fucking sucked and that their taste in music is absolutely awful. At this point, you may be wondering what the point of this thread is. The point is, the vast majority of "meaningful music" that I'm forced to hear is fucking terrible. Take for instance the genre of unkown rap, or "underground rap". These artists (if you can even call them that) sound a bit like Common, or old Kanye West. There lyrics are composed of "socially compelling issues", which almost always revolve around social inequity, growing up in "da hood", or some other commentary about what's wrong with our society. I fucking hate these artists/groups. I don't give a motherfuck how tough your youth was, or if you're concerned about minorities not being able to get jobs. That's not creative at all. It's the same mindless-fucking-drivel over and over. SO, when someone forces me to listen to this horse-shit rap, and then procedes to tell me how moving it was, I honestly want to punch them in the gut. That type of rap is fucking boring. It's usually very unskilled, as in to say, the rhymes are awful and the vocals are shitty. Sure, these rappers may claim they're not in it for the money, but I would bet my life that if you offered them $1,000,000 to write a cd about money, drugs, hoes, cars, and guns, 99% of them would be more than happy to do so. They would throw their social commentary right out the goddamn window. And, even if they didn't, they would just end up like Kanye West: a fucking piece of shit who sucks more dick than a pornstar. I hate you Kanye. Now, just to throw in my hypocritical disclaimer, I'm not claiming that people should listen to music solely for it's auditory quality. I'm just saying there are certain genre's of music that FUCKING SUCK. If you are one of those assholes who makes people listen to dog-shit music just because you think it's meanginful, then Fuck You. Despite how much these artists suck, people still seem to think they are truly moving. Coldplay is not moving or meaningful. Underground Rap is not moving or meaningful. Kanye West has less talent (both vocally and lyrically) than a can of Diet Dr. Pepper. ANY one guy playing a guitar by himself, and being narcissistic enough to record and distribute it, is a fucking douche. People like these are not talented, and do not produce meaningful music. End of story.
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill.

12-23-2008, 09:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	lyrics are generally shit, i admire good lyricists, but don't put much meaning behind them. I'm much more likely to bond to a song due to the rhythm and actual musical quality than the lyrics. Which is probably why I hate screamo so fucking much. More often than not, bitches love to think that the lyrics of a particular song apply to their lives exactly. Women also have the most vivid imaginations on the planet. For more information, refer to "True Love"
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

12-23-2008, 10:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	In general I think music is a poor platform to "discuss" meaningful topics. Songs are on average about three minutes long and repeat themselves a lot, so nothing very insightful can be gleamed from them. It's a nice way for pseudo intellectuals to feel like they're engaging in something worth thinking about. I'm with Blonde on this one; it's more about the beat and rhythm for me. If the lyrics are good then that's a plus, but meaningful is a stretch. I think, though, that the point we may be missing is that listening to music isn't supposed to be a something that's intellectual. Music's greatest strength is that it plays to our emotions. I think your friend would be more accurate if they said that it makes them feel something. I mean just listen to one of your favorite songs where you think the lyrics are good, and then read the lyrics outloud to yourself with no music with it. Big difference. The music elevates it a great deal.
	Last edited by Repugnant Abomination; 12-23-2008 at 10:08 PM.

12-24-2008, 01:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	Here's a great example of why I'm right: DOUCHEBAGS: Oh really? You're going to throw up the black panther sign? Brilliant. You guys are really making great strides for your totally oppressed minority group. Thank you so much for filling the cd players of hundreds of pretentious douche-bags with your dog-shit music. Fuck off. ENTERTAINING: (Also one of the best rap CD's ever made). They don't take themselves so seriously, and they don't pretend to champion any causes. Their music is entertaining and I enjoy listening to the great beats and mindless lyrics.
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill. Last edited by ProfessorNumber; 12-24-2008 at 01:20 AM.

12-24-2008, 01:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	is this the thread you are referring to, PN?
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

12-23-2008, 10:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,697 Internets: 305662	But it oft times does rhyme. Give credit where credit is due, Repug.

12-24-2008, 08:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,316 Internets: 284585	this thread is too corporate
	#YOLO

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