Who is going to hell? An argument for the Bible, Religion and God. - Page 14 - Nubblies.net Forums

Beebs · 10-10-2005, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AcTivE:
Right now I'm making an attempt to find a divine statement in the Bible. That seems to be what people want. Have a feeling once I do though not going to make any difference.

the way I imagine God..to begin with (before things)..is basically by doing what you suggested.

Your view of god seems quite different than the Bible's, so I don't really understand why you are using it in your theory.

[ October 10, 2005, 02:20 AM: Message edited by: Beebs ]

AcTivE · 10-10-2005, 01:37 PM

I don't believe it's different from the Bible--I think it's different from stereotypical "Christian" view though.

Lucy Fur · 10-10-2005, 04:18 PM

you ate a lot of paint chips as a child, didn't you

Ironic Mustache · 10-10-2005, 04:46 PM

AcTivE · 10-10-2005, 05:47 PM

piss me off Ironic, and lets see what happens

MAGICLIT · 10-10-2005, 05:52 PM

*cough*

Ironic Mustache · 10-10-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AcTivE:
piss me off Ironic, and lets see what happens

Are you kidding me? You have to be kidding.

Lucy Fur · 10-10-2005, 06:17 PM

better watch out or he'll have "god" rain hellfire and brimstone down on your ass

Ironic Mustache · 10-10-2005, 06:48 PM

God had his chance with me. He's full of empty threats.

jbonham · 10-11-2005, 12:13 AM

I do have to say that i like comic posted by ironic mustache.

blackbirdsjoy · 10-13-2005, 04:55 AM

whats the problem with dinosaurs co-existing?

Mr. Blonde · 10-13-2005, 10:39 AM

What do you mean? It's been scientifically proven that modern humans and dinosaurs were not alive at the same periods of time.

blackbirdsjoy · 10-13-2005, 12:35 PM

what are your resources?

Beebs · 10-13-2005, 02:58 PM

Well first off its a pretty common sense issue, especially if you take the Bibles account of the flood literally and have to put 2 of each type of dinosaur on the ark.

But if you really care about resources, look at the evidence of how and when dinosaurs became extinct.
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/a.buckley/dino.htm
The first obvious problem is that anything that killed the dinosaurs likely would have killed humnas as well.

The next problem is that every reliable piece of evidence points to the fact that dinosaurs are clearly much older than humans.

jbonham · 10-13-2005, 03:09 PM

the flood account is probably from around 5000 BCE, so that is not a valid point. Humans were not around as we know them at the time of the dinosaur. So they weren't written into the bible because the bible is not a complete history of the world. It only contains a history of the people of Israel.

jbonham · 10-13-2005, 03:10 PM

my date could also be wrong, but i know that it is not older than that date.

ninjaface · 10-13-2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jbonham:
...the bible is not a complete history of the world. It only contains a history of the people of Israel.

The bible also contains the legend of the creation of the world and the first 2 human beings.
So when god was telling his cronies what to put in the bible he decided to leave out that whole dinosaur thing? Sounds like a marketing move to me. They left out one of god's mistakes to make him look better. Thats like when I bragged about how I made some delicious brownies, but I did not tell everyone that on my first try they came out tasting like asshole. I've never actually made brownies, but you get the point.

I think my post definitely disproves the existence of god and in turn, the validity of any and all religions. I win this thread.

Ironic Mustache · 10-13-2005, 03:56 PM

You had me at "cronies."

Saint DH · 10-13-2005, 05:14 PM

I am God. Repent! And you shall be saved.

I think that pretty much ends this debate.

[ October 13, 2005, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

blackbirdsjoy · 10-13-2005, 05:22 PM

Thanks for the resource, I happen to believe in the flood because it tends to explain a bit more about dinasours

Quote:

Originally posted by Beebs:
Well first off its a pretty common sense issue, especially if you take the Bibles account of the flood literally and have to put 2 of each type of dinosaur on the ark.

i think thats how it happend, it wouldn't be all that difficult if they were adolescents, and the bible does give an account of Dinosaurs:

Job 40:15 - 24
15 "Look at the behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!
17 His tail [b] sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.
18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.
19 He ranks first among the works of God,
yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.
20 The hills bring him their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants he lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround him.
23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed;
he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth.
24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes, [c]
or trap him and pierce his nose?

Job 41
1 "Can you pull in the leviathan [a] with a fishhook
or tie down his tongue with a rope?

7 Can you fill his hide with harpoons
or his head with fishing spears?

8 If you lay a hand on him,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!

9 Any hope of subduing him is false;
the mere sight of him is overpowering.

Psalms 104:260

26 There the ships go to and fro,
and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.

[ October 13, 2005, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: blackbirdsjoy ]

Ironic Mustache · 10-13-2005, 05:31 PM

How the shit is that an account of dinosaurs?

blackbirdsjoy · 10-13-2005, 05:59 PM

maybe i didn't do such a hot job of pulling out the right verses, just didn't want to have a huge post. What kind of animal do you picture when you read that?

the word "dinosaur" wasn't coined until the 1800's, but this can pretty much describe what we think of as dinosaurs. The Old testament+Apocrypha also uses the word "Dragon", to describe animals similar to what we think of as dinosaurs.

I think there is enough evidence to belive in the co-existance of dinosaurs and humans:

-There are cave drawings in Peru of Humans interacting with dinosaurs, along with a few stone carvings of a stegosaurus, and triceratops.

-Tombs in Peru also contain tapestries, and pottery, with art possibly dinosaur-inspired art.

- Fossilized footprints of dinosaurs and humans together have been found in Glen Rose, Texas.

~ http://english.pravda.ru/letters/2002/05/06/28278.html

[ October 13, 2005, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: blackbirdsjoy ]

Ironic Mustache · 10-13-2005, 06:05 PM

Greek mythology depicts a number of different things that never existed.

Your post could be any animal really. Since when are gigantic dinosaurs hidden by the shade of a lotus?

[ October 13, 2005, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: Ironic Mustache ]

blackbirdsjoy · 10-13-2005, 06:17 PM

ok, but how are you explaining the footprints? And back to the biblical passages, its written like the people interact with these huge animals in there everyday life. Should I just assume you don't hold any authenticity to the bible? But even if the ancient text are all mythology, why would they interlace another mythology in themselves and not any other? These are pretty much the only animals the bible ever takes time to describe, why would God specifically use the leviathian to make a point when other examples are just as ready at hand?

[ October 13, 2005, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: blackbirdsjoy ]

Beebs · 10-13-2005, 06:30 PM

The footprints are not particulary hard to explain, layers of the earth are moved by natural forces, the fact that both dinosaur and human footprints are found, does not mean they happened at the same time.

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blackbirdsjoy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Piss Hole Posts: 185 Internets: 10	what are your resources?
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10-13-2005, 02:58 PM	#339 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Well first off its a pretty common sense issue, especially if you take the Bibles account of the flood literally and have to put 2 of each type of dinosaur on the ark. But if you really care about resources, look at the evidence of how and when dinosaurs became extinct. http://web.ukonline.co.uk/a.buckley/dino.htm The first obvious problem is that anything that killed the dinosaurs likely would have killed humnas as well. The next problem is that every reliable piece of evidence points to the fact that dinosaurs are clearly much older than humans.

10-13-2005, 03:09 PM	#340 (permalink)
jbonham Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Internets: 10	the flood account is probably from around 5000 BCE, so that is not a valid point. Humans were not around as we know them at the time of the dinosaur. So they weren't written into the bible because the bible is not a complete history of the world. It only contains a history of the people of Israel.

10-13-2005, 03:10 PM	#341 (permalink)
jbonham Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 114 Internets: 10	my date could also be wrong, but i know that it is not older than that date.

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Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	You had me at "cronies."
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10-13-2005, 05:14 PM	#344 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,143 Internets: 284753	I am God. Repent! And you shall be saved. I think that pretty much ends this debate. [ October 13, 2005, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

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Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	How the shit is that an account of dinosaurs?
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10-13-2005, 05:59 PM	#347 (permalink)
blackbirdsjoy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Piss Hole Posts: 185 Internets: 10	maybe i didn't do such a hot job of pulling out the right verses, just didn't want to have a huge post. What kind of animal do you picture when you read that? the word "dinosaur" wasn't coined until the 1800's, but this can pretty much describe what we think of as dinosaurs. The Old testament+Apocrypha also uses the word "Dragon", to describe animals similar to what we think of as dinosaurs. I think there is enough evidence to belive in the co-existance of dinosaurs and humans: -There are cave drawings in Peru of Humans interacting with dinosaurs, along with a few stone carvings of a stegosaurus, and triceratops. -Tombs in Peru also contain tapestries, and pottery, with art possibly dinosaur-inspired art. - Fossilized footprints of dinosaurs and humans together have been found in Glen Rose, Texas. ~ http://english.pravda.ru/letters/2002/05/06/28278.html [ October 13, 2005, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: blackbirdsjoy ]
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10-13-2005, 06:05 PM	#348 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	Greek mythology depicts a number of different things that never existed. Your post could be any animal really. Since when are gigantic dinosaurs hidden by the shade of a lotus? [ October 13, 2005, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: Ironic Mustache ]
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10-13-2005, 06:17 PM	#349 (permalink)
blackbirdsjoy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Piss Hole Posts: 185 Internets: 10	ok, but how are you explaining the footprints? And back to the biblical passages, its written like the people interact with these huge animals in there everyday life. Should I just assume you don't hold any authenticity to the bible? But even if the ancient text are all mythology, why would they interlace another mythology in themselves and not any other? These are pretty much the only animals the bible ever takes time to describe, why would God specifically use the leviathian to make a point when other examples are just as ready at hand? [ October 13, 2005, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: blackbirdsjoy ]
	Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn.

10-13-2005, 06:30 PM	#350 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	The footprints are not particulary hard to explain, layers of the earth are moved by natural forces, the fact that both dinosaur and human footprints are found, does not mean they happened at the same time.